About those 2 billion rounds of ammo purchase by DHS

If you've been following right-wing websites, you may have heard about this one. The Dept. of Homeland Security has stockpiled 2 billion rounds of hollow point ammo to kill us all.

One a my peeps tried to track that story down by following links from one story to the one before it. Here's what he found:

We start with an Alex Jones's InfoWars.com story. It says:

Atlantic Wire responded by claiming Palin had obtained her rhetoric from a “debunked email” concerning the Social Security Administration’s purchase of 174,000 bullets last year, completely omitting the admitted DHS purchase of 2 billion bullets like it didn’t exist.

That link is to breitbart.com. It says:

Something strange is going on. Federal non-military agencies have bought two billion rounds of ammunition in the last 10 months. The Obama Administration says that federal law enforcement agents need the ammunition for “mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions.

That link is to a story in WorldNetDaily. They quoted radio host Mark Levin:

Federal, non-military agencies, noted radio host Mark Levin last week, have purchased enough ammunition recently to not only shoot every American five times, but also engage in a prolonged, domestic war.

The numbers are based on recent reports that put the total federal ammunition buy in the last 10 months at approaching two billion rounds.

“To provide some perspective,” Levin noted, “experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, the [Department of Homeland Security] is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war. A 24-year Iraq war!”

But that link shows that "recent reports" say no such thing. The link is to a story from Investor's Business Daily that only says:

But DHS has been silent about its need for numerous orders of bullets in the multiple millions. Indeed, Examiner writer Ryan Keller points out Janet Napolitano's agency illegally redacted information from some ammunition solicitation forms following media inquiries.

According to one estimate, just since last spring DHS has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. That's sufficient firepower to shoot every American about five times. Including illegal immigrants.

And who made the "one estimate"?

Nobody knows. If you're not familiar with the Examiner, it makes WingNutDaily seem credible. Note that this "one estimate" doesn't say "hollow point rounds" like all the RWNJ sites now claim.

My peep who tracked all this down summarizes:

Which means Alex Jones had no f'ing evidence besides a "Chinese whispers" line of f'ing stupid. And one that's impossible to follow to the source unless you dig through his mess of text to find the link that actually relates to the headline, then follow through 3 other lying ass websites and find the right link on THOSE websites. It's like going through a goddamned maze. And at the end its relying ON ONE ESTIMATE that the source does not even f'ing link to. But its probably based on an Examiner writer's estimate, and you will forgive me if I didn't try and follow the trail of stupid any further. OK, I did look at it. The only source that guy links to is another blog and WorldNetDaily ...

The great thing about this whole thing is, now MEMBERS OF CONGRESS are demanding that DHS explain why they bought 2 billion hollow point rounds so that they can kill every man, woman and child in the United States five times over and depopulate the entire nation. And the story has further morphed to include 2,600 TANKS, which are really tanks being refurbished and repaired for the military, but don't tell anybody.

This is where we are in the "Age of Information". It would be laughable if it wasn't so scary.

Comments

Crazy stuff

We live in a world where the line between reality and fantasy no longer exists.

From the "other side"

Hard to say what the truth is on this issue and it is definately getting a lot of coverage all around the mainstream media and blogsites. Just offering up a presentation from the "other side" on this so there is more than just one perspective being seen here. Thanks

http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/Gvc__urKl88.html?a=1

The other side

I hate to shoot the messenger, so in this case, I'll temporarily direct my fire at Fox News, an organization that has built its reputation on lies designed for further the conservative agenda. I'm not saying there is absolutely no shred of truth to the original story, but this "presentation" has nothing to offer beyond unfounded conspiracy theory.

We know full well that a sizable amount of American ignorance can be traced directly back to this kind of misinformation. Your effort to represent that "other side" might be better spent looking for actual facts.

Shooting the "other side"

It is always easy to trash those that don't present what we want to hear. "Actual facts"...ah yes. Actual facts are in large part what we want to hear and accept, of course. I am not saying what is presented by that Fox News site is all truthful and such. I'm presenting it here for people to at least see more than just one side of the equation. Maybe what they're saying is wrong. Maybe it is lies. Maybe it is just said for politics' sake. But, it's being said and it is seen by an enormous number of people. It is what EVERYONE should be seeing in my view. Just seeing one side and just believing and accepting one part of this issue seems to be "narrow", at best. I'm an advocate for marriage equality, but I'm not someone that thinks that the "other side" shouldn't be heard.

Facts only have one side

While opinions may have many sides and many may have merit, facts are an entirely different beast. Facts do not have two sides, a fact is a fact. A statement presented as a fact can only in reality be fact or bullshit. From what I've seen so far, you seem to be short on the former and long on the latter.

More reasons why this makes no sense

If the government indeed planned to kill a large percentage of its population - an idea which is mind-boggling in its sheer insanity and stoopitity - they ALREADY possessed the means of doing so. They could carpet-bomb or nuke large cities. They could use nerve and biological agents (the famous WMD which Saddam didn't have, but we surely do). They could poison water supplies. They could build ovens like the Nazis. Shooting people one by one, when you have 315 million people to kill, is really inefficient, and I think we can all agree that the Obama administration is nothing but efficient when it comes to murdering large numbers of innocent Americans for no reason at all except to impose a Marxist Muslin Socialist Fascist Really Really Bad Dick Tater Ship.

There's really no need to buy 2 billion bullets, much less expect that the government is going to waste their time shooting people with guns when they can achieve the same result - more than half of all Americans dead - using some other method that's much cheaper and faster.

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Possible source of the insanity

Another one a my peeps thinks he has tracked down the source of this nonsense:

I found this blog post by Anthony Edward Borelli back last August

FOX News, while characterizing concerned Americans as 'conspiracy theorists,' neglected to address their core concern, namely, 750 million rounds of ammunition requested by DHS last week, just months after DHS ordered a previously unthinkable 450 million rounds to supply and train their roughly 20,000 agents.

That is 1.2 billion rounds so far this year, for a single domestic law enforcement agency with just 20,000 agents."

http://www.thirdreport.com/third-report.asp?storyid=1469

Note that the bid request he is talking about is only for 70 million rounds over five years.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=7f6a48adb7fe40b7489fbbf5b86eaa0e&tab=core&_cview=1

Read the last amendment to the bid request. It clearly states that the contract is limited to 70 million over five years.

And BTW, it's still a bid request, and it has not been awarded. I haven't looked into whether the time limit for the award has expired or not.

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...The truth hurts...We love

...The truth hurts...We love Alex Jones because he tells the truth and I have news for the mainstream media and their rogue operatives...The youth of America can see thru your lies rather easily as we are living in poverty in a rotting infrastructure....Give me Liberty or Give me Death....Guess what you highly underestimate the will of the Amereican Patriot....We would rather Die than be disarmed and become total slaves to the NWO so have fun taking the American's guns...We can all die together...Oh and all you liars in the mainstream media...you are criminals and when the 2nd American Revolution comes you will be held accountable for your HIGH TREASON

Dang

You are one seriously unstable dude. Let us know if you need help.

Your friend,

James

PS If you're going to use the word "American" in the patriotic sense, you might want to learn to spell it correctly. Just sayin'.