Brad Miller receives death threat on health care reform

The right wingers and the health care mob have hit again. This time going after my member of Congress, Brad Miller. Talking Points Memo has the scoop:

The threatening call in question happened earlier this week.

"The call to the D.C. office was, 'Miller could lose his life over this,'" said Canipe. "Our staffer took it so seriously, he confirmed what the guy was saying. He said, 'Sir is that a threat?' and at that time our staffer was getting the phone number off caller ID and turning it over to the Capitol Police."

They haven't heard anything back from the police yet, but they did get the caller's number. So this could develop into something soon enough.

Canipe explained that Miller had no plans for a town hall before and won't be holding any now, due to this event and the examples he's already seem from the around the country: "Our point is, we're not gonna be bullied into having a town hall so it can then be interrupted by the fake grassroots folks."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/dem-congressmans-office-his-life-has-been-threatened-over...

I'm going to call Brad Miller and tell him that people who actually voted for him support him and support real health care reform. If anyone gets wind of the wing nuts trying to take over a local town hall, let me know and I'll be happy to be there and yell back.

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Really upsetting news

I just saw it on TPM, and was just about to post something myself. Can't believe it has come to this. Thanks for posting it here. We're going to email his office to express our support, even though we're not in your district.

What is Tom Fetzer's response to this?

Members of Tom Fetzer's party are attacking elected officials at the request Republican Party leaders. Albeit these leaders are Art Pope, Dallas Woodhouse, John Hood, and whatever dittohead they got running Freedom Works, but as the figure formal head of the NCGOP, Fetzer has a responsibility to ask the birthers to refrain from violence.

As Adam Linker points out, Republican leaders were quick to condemn the disruption of a white supremacist meeting, and then 3 months later are advocating attacks against elected officials currently serving their country.

Maybe it's as Rush Limbaugh said of the violent coup in Honduras: "The coup was what many of you wish would happen here, without the military."

Fetzer's response

"I am STILL not gay."

Upsetting and sad

that a once decent political party (one need only think of Lincoln and the progressive Republicanism of the 19th and early 20th century) has come to this—heckling and disrupting public discourse, distorting facts and promoting misinformation, fomenting fear, inciting violence, even making physical threats. (Does anyone besides me think all this sounds a little bit too much like the brownshirts of the 1930's? Or is that too much of a stretch? Just checking.) To be sure, the so-called leaders of the party may not be as vicious or mean-spirited as many of the members, but in not vocally and vigorously denouncing such tactics they fail to lead. And in that leadership vacuum, the wingnuts become the de facto party leaders.

(I'm not in Brad Miller's district either, but I'll email my support.)

Calling Brad Miller

His DC office is 202-225-3032. I think it would be great if Rep. Miller receives a bunch of calls of support. The other side has crossed a line that is unacceptable and we should all be fired up and ready to stand up against this thuggery.

If Brad Miller decides to have a town hall event - I think he should as a sign of defiance - then I'll be there.

I hope this craziness from the right will only deepen the resolve in Congress to pass (meaningful) health reform.

The "other side" has crossed

The "other side" has crossed no line at all. The story is pure fabrication to allow/enable Miller to duck those that disagree with him. Apparently, he's at least somewhat aware that they be out there in significant numbers.

Recast the story with different characters and see how you'd react.

Is he going to have town hall meetings?

Shuler is having two. The email didn't say where. You have to call his office to reserve a spot. Supposedly this makes a big difference by just having people register.

Worthwhile

That sounds like an altogether worthwhile idea.

As soon as it was on Keith

my phone rang. I knew it was our mother. Let me take care of the asshole. Sorry, Mother.

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Sorry...not for what I said but for

the language. It could have been worse. Glad she doesn't use a computer.

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What is Pat McCrory's response?

McCrory is actually appearing at rallies for the industry-funded AFP that is encouraging this hysteria.

AFP sent out a fundraising letter claiming that House legislation contains an "'end of life' mandatory counseling provision". This is beyond sleezy.

You're kidding, right?

The spokesperson claims that the unspecified caller is part of an "orchestrated group claiming to be a grassroots campaign"? This whole thing smells like it's nothing but Miller trying to dodge those that might have a viewpoint different than his own.

I'll bet my stimulus dollars that this phone call never took place.

>Democratically elected

>Democratically elected Representatives of the people deserve to do their work without >being subjected to violence.

Absolutely. And I've yet to see one substantiated instance of where they have been.

>Unfortunately the increasingly desperate GOP is embracing the label "right-wing >extremist" and encouraging their base to engage in violent rhetoric and physical >intimidation.

Pure rhetoric and "talking points". That absolutely hasn't happened although there are some that wish it would. And those that wish it would are on the left side of the aisle looking for something to use as fodder. I get mail from LOTS of groups on both sides and have yet to see one single item encouraging anyone to engage in ANY sort of violence. Other than the Earth First! crowd, that is.

>Here's a link to this story on DailyKos:
>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/6/762593/-Congressman-Brad-Mill...

That same story has been posted just about verbatim lots of places. Except for any large outlets. Even Drudge and those that feed on frenzy won't touch it. It's starting to look quite contrived. When I ask myself "who benefits from this kind of thing", the only answer I can come up with is "Brad Miller". Why would anyone that opposes his view want to scare him off from answering questions in a public forum? And conversely, what reasons would Miller have to want to avoid answering his constituents in public forums?

I bet this is completely forgotten by tomorrow - except for the fact that Miller won't answer a single question publicly for the duration of the recess.

We can't help that you don't read the news

There are plenty of documented reports.

Drudge won't touch this particular story b/c Drudge only reports things that benefit Drudge...or shit he just makes up.

What kind of documentation would you want? The caller's name? Wouldn't that be irresponsible? Don't we allow police to do their job? What if they interview the guy and find out he really isn't a threat, but got much too upset and simply said something he shouldn't have. Should we expose him just to please you?

Wow...you honestly believe that if you didn't get it in your email box it didn't happen? Really? There's a great big world out there that doesn't fit into your email inbox. Get out of your barcalounger, strap on your big boy shoes and head out your door. You can't sit around and wait for life to land in your inbox.



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There are plenty of

There are plenty of documented reports.

No there aren't. There's one that's been reprinted in several locations.

Drudge won't touch this particular story b/c Drudge only reports things that benefit Drudge...or shit he just makes up.

I'll go along with the notion that he links to what benefits him. Why wouldn't he? He doesn't write content on his site, he just links to other sites. That doesn't give him much of an opportunity to make shit up, although he certainly controls the direction - like virtually every site out there.

What kind of documentation would you want?

If a death threat was communicated, it'll be a matter of public record if/when he's arrested.

The caller's name? Wouldn't that be irresponsible? Don't we allow police to do their job? What if they interview the guy and find out he really isn't a threat, but got much too upset and simply said something he shouldn't have.

What if we find out that it never happened in the first place?

Should we expose him just to please you?

We?
If you've got proof that it actually happened, feel free to offer that proof. I don't care who "he" is, unless he actually exists, then I want him locked up and treated badly.

Wow...you honestly believe that if you didn't get it in your email box it didn't happen? Really? There's a great big world out there that doesn't fit into your email inbox. Get out of your barcalounger, strap on your big boy shoes and head out your door. You can't sit around and wait for life to land in your inbox.

Wow. What a belligerent tone. I don't believe it happened for reasons I've stated. Feel free to rephrase that to whatever you think makes your point.

You are used to being lied to by your fav politicians

I can tell. What if it didnt' happen in the first place? Really?

That kind of sophmoric question is just stupid. What if we didn't land on the moon? What if 9/11 was an inside job? What if President G. W. Bush was really born in Patagonia?

The information we have is that it happened. Until we hear that it didn't happen, what the hell is your point? Someone lied? It happens. Often. It's not a point of an arguement though, unless you have information to the contrary.

Speaking of contrary, that is the reason you are here of course. We here are happy to have insightful discussion with all people. However, when your obvious point is just to stir the pot instead of having an honest discussion of differences, that is going to work against you.

I am very serious when I ask you this. Do you want to have a discussion of your ideas and ideals or do you just want to be a thorn in the side? So far, I am seeing thorn. You decide and back that up with less tinfoil hat discussion and we will get along just fine here.

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Call and ask him

Be sure to let us know what you find out.

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Be sure to let us know what

Be sure to let us know what you find out.

You'll likely know the answer to that before I do, but I'll be happy to post something here if I find it.

I do.

Now let us know what you find, k?

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um did you miss the part about the lynching?

Maybe you were too busy laughing along?

But I think I get your basic points:

  • you disagree with health insurance reform
  • you want to attack Rep. Brad Miller as a liar

Fortunately, a large majority of voters disagree with you on the first point, and the police disagree with you on the second.

um did you miss the part

um did you miss the part about the lynching?

Did you actually take that literally?

Maybe you were too busy laughing along?

Are you one of the folks that tries to instigate things by tossing out personal attacks?

But I think I get your basic points:

* you disagree with health insurance reform
* you want to attack Rep. Brad Miller as a liar

I absolutely disagree with "reforming" health care in the manner in which it's being presented. And I believe that if presented with the actual line items I find most offensive, you would as well. I understand that it's to the Democrats political advantage to pass this as quickly as possible. I think that's a horrendous mistake on a multitude of levels.

In this case, it's my belief that Mr. Miller was led to believe that it was in his best interest to avoid public discussion of this matter. As to whether a death threat was actually conveyed by anyone, I'm completely unsure, but leaning towards not believing it. Mr. Miller himself has made no public comment regarding this, as far as I've been able to find.

Fortunately, a large majority of voters disagree with you on the first point,

Not from what I've seen. It seems the more people know about this bill, the more vehemently they're opposed to it. This is why it appears that hastiness is in the Democrats' best interest.

and the police disagree with you on the second.

Are you basing that on the press release from this morning? Is there new information? Please show me where I'm wrong. Not where we likely disagree politically, but something verifiable.

no harm in joking about hate crimes?

I guess I take jokes about assassination or lynching Democrats a bit more seriously than the average Republican.

Regarding instigation, I've been blogging here for years under my own name, while you've been here for 8 hours under a duplicitous pseudonym. I'm glad you've joined us, but forgive me if I push back against your anonymous accusations that our honorable Representative is a liar.

I appreciate you being more civil about it than this guy:

Are you here to have you opinion swayed?

I'm not getting that vibe.

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Are you here to have you

Are you here to have you opinion swayed?
I'm not getting that vibe.

Not really, but conversely, I don't really expect to sway any either. At this point, I'm just hoping to find a couple folks that enjoy debating without resorting to name calling or hyperbole.

SEIU Gets Threatening Phone Call

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/seiu-gets-threatening-phone-call-youre-gonna-come-up-against...

Brian Beutler reports that an anti-health care reform organizer is explicitly calling on the troops to “carry” and if SEIU members get disruptive, to “hurt them.”

The threat comes after Rush Limbaugh went on the offensive against SEIU today and even gave out the address of the union’s St. Louis’ headquarters.

Clearly

You haven't been to any public forums lately.

There seems to be something missing here

Could whomever caused that to happen please send me their reason as to why? Now. Thanks!

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Missing post

were off topic and personal.

Incorrect.

Do me a favor and don't do that again.

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Republican Dirty Tricks have not change with change

From Rachel Hunter great little manual in 06

http://bluenc.com/the-truth-about-state-wide-judical-campaigns%3F

CHAPTER XI – NC GOP DIRTY TRICKS

As with the last chapter, allow me to state that I am not criticizing all Republicans everywhere. In fact, some of the NC GOP judicial candidates were quite cordial to me and even sought political advice from my campaign advisor in both the 2004 and 2006 campaigns. He gave it freely and without charge. I will not mention their names, but I appreciated the kindness that these individuals showed. To be fair, some of the Democratic candidates also were kind, whereas others were not. Kindness, no what side of the aisle it comes from, is always appreciated. My comments are confined to the NC GOP leadership, and in particular, Chairman of the NC GOP Ferrell Blount and his right hand man, Bill Peaslee, both of whom have now resigned from their positions.

Edit from management - This comment can be read in full at the link above. It was entirely too long and lacked relevance.

um

this comment is a bit long, please publish this sort of thing as a separate blog post if you don't mind

Regardless of your point of view, it's irresponsible

for public figures like Rush Limbaugh to hint that the public wants violence against any of our elected officials, be they liberal or conservative, Democrats or Republican.

It's just against everything that's American, in my opinion.

Violence at Tampa health care forum

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=111086&catid=8

As the building filled to capacity, angry protesters stuck outside began to scream, yell, and chant. At one point, those trying to get inside began banging on windows as Tampa Police officers quickly spread out guarding all entrances.

10 Connects photojournalist Kevin Carlson, currently inside the meeting reports at least one fist fight breaking out inside. Some other journalists remain outside.

more on Tampa tebagger violence

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/08/had_to_happen.php

The Tampa Tribune reports to instances of "shoving and scuffles." It seems like at least one incident occurred in cases where teabaggers trying to force their way through the doors after event organizers manning the door were no longer letting more people in. Reports also suggest the teabag crowd was organized through Glenn Beck's "9-12 Project."

Delicious comment at that article

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of Anthem/Wellpoint is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of increased earnings-per-share is no virtue.

For North Carolina (since BCBS has a near monopoly on the NC health insurance "market"):

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of Blue Cross Blue Shield is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of decreased medical coverage is no virtue.

 

Angry Mob of Racist

Angry Mob of Racist Extremists Beats Black Man at Town Hall Meeting
Filed under: General @ 11:52 pm

I guess the Democrats were right after all. At a town meeting held by a Democrat congressman, a rowdy group of organized and angry thugs showed up to make a point about ObamaCare, and then beat up a man. Race was involved, too: the victim was black — attacked by a man yelling racial slurs.

It’s every Democrat talking point you’ve read about in the last day or two, come to life in an ugly fashion.

With one twist. The black victim was a conservative, and the assailants may well have been union thugs:

Kenneth Gladney, a 38-year-old conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room of the St. John’s Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was waiting to be treated for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face that he suffered in the attack. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack started.

“It just seems there’s no freedom of speech without being attacked,” he said.

Angry mob of 1st Amendment haters disrupts town hall

With fists pounding on exterior windows like a street mob out of a 1930s newsreel, a crowd of right-wing agitators against health insurance reform descended on a town hall meeting in Tampa, Florida, "banging on windows" until police and organizers were forced to end the event. The result? A violent mob silenced the voices of each and every American desperate to find a way out of the endless cycle of fear, shame and family bankruptcy brought on by an inhumane, profit-driven health insurance market. Moreover, by using violence to shut down civic discussion between neighbors, this right-wing horde trampled underfoot one of the most sacred and historic symbols of American democracy.

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free speech

It's a bit much to claim to be a a supporter of free speech when your strategy is to shout down those attempting to ask questions at a town hall.

It's a bit much to claim to

It's a bit much to claim to be a a supporter of free speech when your strategy is to shout down those attempting to ask questions at a town hall.

Maybe, but completely beside the point in this particular case. Are you jumping to ridiculous conclusions or did you actually go read where he hadn't said a word to anyone?

Is it racist if a bunch of white, union thugs trample the hell out of a conservative, black guy? Is it a hate crime?

Limbaugh: "Adolf Hitler, Like Barack Obama"

Limbaugh: "Adolf Hitler, like Barack Obama, also ruled by dictate"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060021

Limbaugh claims Obama "sending out his brownshirts"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060019

Limbaugh: "[T]he Obama health care logo is damn close to a Nazi swastika logo"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060016

Beck links health care reform to Nazis, suggests reform would kill elderly and newborns
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060009

Limbaugh on Pelosi: "This woman is deranged" for stating that some protesters are carrying swastikas
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908060017

I can tell. What if it didnt'

I can tell. What if it didnt' happen in the first place? Really?

That kind of sophmoric question is just stupid. What if we didn't land on the moon? What if 9/11 was an inside job? What if President G. W. Bush was really born in Patagonia?

Okay, you're willing to accept the word of a staffer that gives Miller a way to dodge constituents. At this point, with nothing but that word, I don't tend to believe it. I think there was more than a word from a NASA staffer about the moon landing, etc. Sophomoric analogy.

The information we have is that it happened. Until we hear that it didn't happen, what the hell is your point? Someone lied? It happens. Often. It's not a point of an arguement though, unless you have information to the contrary.

No, the information we have is that it was reported by a staffer. My statement isn't that it didn't happen, but that I don't believe it happened.

Speaking of contrary, that is the reason you are here of course. We here are happy to have insightful discussion with all people. However, when your obvious point is just to stir the pot instead of having an honest discussion of differences, that is going to work against you.

If it's all the same with you, I'll decide what my obvious point is. Thanks. If any opinion contrary to yours is "stirring the pot", so be it.

I am very serious when I ask you this. Do you want to have a discussion of your ideas and ideals or do you just want to be a thorn in the side? So far, I am seeing thorn. You decide and back that up with less tinfoil hat discussion and we will get along just fine here.

Like I mentioned to a moderator in e-mail, I don't know the players here as I just stumbled on this site yesterday looking for information. There are those on every site that deteriorate into the ad hominem barrage within one or two posts. And there are those that can have a relevant conversation realizing that few, if any minds are likely to be changed based on a (mostly) anonymous forum thread.

I have zero intention or desire to defend my thoughts to one tossing around phrases like "tinfoil hat" or that quotes from no other source than mediamatters.

Enjoy your day.

Take your foil and run?

OK

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