Breaking: Hagan to Challenge Dole (And Neal)

Swing State Project is declaring that Hagan will run for Senate.

Two well-placed sources, independent of each other, have contacted the Swing State Project to let us know that NC State Senator Kay Hagan (D-Greensboro) has reconsidered her earlier decision and will challenge Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole.

I dont think anyone is surprised by this. I will say that I am disappointed.

This race is supposed to be about beating Elizabeth Dole. From now until May it will be about what the future of our party will look like.

I am going to be supporting Jim Neal in this primary. As many of you know I am ultimately concerned with economic issues. It is why I am working for who I am, and it is what I believe in. The budget process of 2007 in NC matched with Jim's live blogging session means that I will be supporting Jim, ultimately because I do not trust Hagan's judgement on the issue of equal economic oppurtunity.

I believe that this race will tell us a great deal about the state of North Carolina as a whole, and this primary will tell us a great deal about our party, and our community.

Today being the 5th anniversary of the death of Paul Wellstone I ask that all of us fight for what is right, and for what we believe in. Compromise and moderation do not win elections. Courage does.

Comments

I said "seem to be saying"

While I don't see that charge outright, it certainly seems to be part of the argument, perhaps not directly on this thread or this blog, but it's "out there," I think.

On the contrary...

as I say above, I think the problem most of us have is not with Hagan, but with the idea that we need a "better" candidate because of sexual orientation.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

You've forgotten about the other big issue:

Education.

Make no mistake, this is going to be an important issue for the next senator - and we need to find out where they both stand. Hagan has a good record; Neal is intelligent and informed.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

A guess a woman has the right to change her mind.

From the N&O on October 9th, roughly two weeks ago:

State Sen. Kay Hagan announced Monday she will not challenge Republican Elizabeth Dole, becoming the latest in a line of prominent Democrats to forgo next year's U.S. Senate race.

Hagan, the influential Senate budget chairwoman, had seriously considered challenging Dole. As a woman, she could have blunted Dole's gender advantage, and as a Greensboro resident, she is well-known in one of the state's major metropolitan areas.

But in announcing her decision, Hagan said that she thought she could accomplish more in the state legislature.

Go figure.

Nevermind

I thought you were saying NOW she wasn't going to run.
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One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

This race is precisely about beating Elizabeth Dole

But that does not mean there should not be primary challenges. I am against the notion that just because someone declared for election first they are automatically the party nominee.

read the comments.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

This is not about whether or not there should be a primary

of course there should be.

This is about the motivation of the second candidate in changing her mind, and the meddling of the DSCC in NC Politics.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Exactly!

I live in Hagan's district and would have happily supported her but I admire Neal for having the courage to jump in this race without knowing if Grier Martin would run. I also like the fact that he answers questions honestly and isn't afraid to admit when he doesn't know the answer. It's bad enough that we have no say in who our Presidential candidates will be so we certainly don't need the DSCC choosing our Senate candidates.

Other than voting and contributing a few dollars to various candidates, I've never gotten involved in the political process but I intend to do everything I can to support Jim Neal.

My thoughts exactly.

I don't live in Hagan's district, but I definitely would have been a supporter had she been out on the campaign trail early. The timing on all of this troubles me, though. Not fatal, just troubling.

Got an interesting response

From the NCDP when I asked if they would support Jim Neal's candidacy: "The NCDP doesn't make endorsements in primary races. May the best candidate win."

And yet on the same day, I got an email from the NCDP that wanted to, "Introduce me to... Navy hero Daniel Johnson." That's great for Mr Johnson, but where is that support for Jim Neal? This just doesn't sit well. Is there any reason besides his sexual orientation that would account for the difference?

Phil Meyer says the last newspaper will be printed in April 2040.

Even with Kissell...

there was word they were waiting until after the primary date when it looked like he would have serious primary competition.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

They probably knew the Hagan

deal was in the works. The difference now is the lack of Primary challenger for Johnson.

Otherwise, yeah, it's kinda fishy.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

Why all this hate for the DSCC?

Where is all this DSCC boogeyman stuff coming from? The DSCC rarely, if ever, gets involved in primaries. The Jim Webb example is not true. It was Schumer, and not his committee, that endorsed Webb in the primary. The Senate committee will not put a dime into this race until after May. That's just how the party committees work 9/10 times.

The DSCC is your friend. They alone are responsible for recent victories in Virginia, Montana, Maryland, and Connecticut. Without the millions they raised and spent last year, we would still be suffering under GOP leadership in the Senate. Please stop bashing a group that will likely target North Carolina if Neal or Hagan prove they can run a half-decent campaign.

P.S. I'm a long time lurker and this thread finally inspired me to register! A true political junkie, I've come out to defend an obscure campaign committee... on a friday night. For I am isabelabadone... super dork.

Hi Superdork!

Very glad to have you coming out, so to speak.

Time may yet show that the DSCC is not involved, but a dozen different people have written me in the last 72 hours to report that the committee is indeed actively engaged in drumming up an opponent in this primary. Whether money's on the table or not is a different issue.

I suspect the committee has probably said, "if you win the primary, money won't be a problem." The question is, to whom has the committee made that promise?

I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

And thanks again for posting. Very nice to meet you.

For I am Anglico . . . super tired.

We never get involved! wink! wink!

t was Schumer, and not his committee, that endorsed Webb in the primary. The Senate committee will not put a dime into this race until after May. That's just how the party committees work 9/10 times.* Superdork

Yeah! Sure! Yep! You forgot about the other 1/10 where Chuckee Cheese has got involved...The infamous 06 Senatoral campaign in Tennessee where Harold Ford Jr somehow ended up being so far to the right, that the republican candiate was thought to be to the left of Ted Kennedy and of course the infamous Schumer scumbag lies against Paul Hackett and his Vets in Ohio...

You leave Chuckie Cheese out of this!

Harold Ford did not have a primary challenge. Schumer and the powers that be wanted Brown to run more than Hackett. That's pretty standard in politics. The establishment is an interest group and wing of the party in the same way the anti-war movement, pro-choice groups, GLBT movement, organized labor, or BlueNC is. We all have our agenda and we all do what we can for our candidates.
But the DSCC didn't give Brown any money or any official endorsement. They stayed within their traditional role just as the NCDP appears to be staying within their role in this race. No doubt that some of the NCDP elders are pushing Hagan and others to run. But they were doing this before Neal announced and before he was "outed." Their pushing Hagan and other candidates has as much to do with Mr. Neal being gay as it does with him being inexperienced and a complete unknown.
It is their right and their role in the party to push their agenda and their candidates just as it is our right and our role to ours.

...and if our agenda is to keep them from meddling

in a North Carolina primary....offering (future) support to one candidate and not the other....then it is our right to push back against the DSCC. It's not just our right, it's our responsibility.

Welcome to BlueNC.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Remeber the Jim Webb lesson

Support from the committee isn't based on agenda or insider status. It is based on whether or not the their money will be well spent. In mid-2006, the DSCC actually pulled support from Jim Webb becuase the Webb campaign seemed hopelessly inept. It was only after the Maccaca incident that they renewed their financial support.

Although I'm sure that the DSCC would like Hagan to run and have offered her the same deal they offered Martin & Miller, I'm also sure that they will offer that same deal to the Neal campaign if, and when, the Neal campaign proves they are running a professional operation worthy of their investment.

I hope you're right but the

I hope you're right but the fact that that still haven't acknowledged his candidacy on their web site makes me doubt it.

Because there is a primary challenge

The DSCC doesn't usually take sides in a contested primary. For example, if you take a look at the Minn. page at dscc.org, it only talks about Sen Coleman. No mention of either democrats running for the nomination until the DFL chooses a nominee.

With that said, I'm certain that Mr. Neal is not the favorite candidate of the D.C. crowd. Perhaps he can send them a fuit basket or something...

But most folks knew Neal wouldn't run unopposed

We all know NC politics too well to believe that, especially after his "outing" here. And again, the DSCC website doesn't list any candidates during a primary. In Texas, one of the two candidates dropped out last week and still they have nothing on their website about the remaining, now unopposed, challenger to John Cornyn because some other pols are talking about getting in to the race.

If they put one candidate up they would have to put all of them up and then you get questions of equal time, name placement, in-kind donations, favoritism, and other nasty allegations. So they do what most parties and committees do and stay out of it until the people have decided their nominee.

The DSCC should offer me a job after this thread. I wonder if they have any openings for bag-women?

You seem pretty naive

Although I'm sure that the DSCC would like Hagan to run and have offered her the same deal they offered Martin & Miller, I'm also sure that they will offer that same deal to the Neal campaign if, and when, the Neal campaign proves they are running a professional operation worthy of their investment.

First, how do you know the DSCC offered Miller and Martin the same deals and are now offering it to Hagan?

Second, if they don't take sides in the primary, the DSCC shouldn't offer Hagan a thing that they don't offer Neal.

Third, Hagan is untested outside her little old district. It doesn't take a professional operation to win on the state level. Neal has proven he can raise money for others. I'm sure he can do so for himself. Why does Neal have to prove more than Hagan to get the same offer?

The fact is, the DSCC has an agenda and while it might be a worthy one, their tactics stink.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Because Miller and Martin said as much publicly...

That's what happens in these "meetings" that you read about between candidates and the committees. Candidates balk at raising the $15 million it takes to run a race like this and they say they like their seats in the majority and the committee says "Oh, no! Your party needs you! We'll give you $7 million if you raise $2 million by May 15th" and so on and so forth, trying to entice these otherwise decent people to do the thoroughly disgusting task of raising that much money this fast.

Again, the DSCC doesn't give money to anyone during a primary. Whatever they promise or don't promise is A) not really a promise considering that they have reneged on a number of candidates who don't live up to expectations and B) not a factor in the primary because the funds are for use solely against the GOP.

Hagan is untested outside her district, sure. But Hagan is at least tested somewhere, somehow. She has a record of achievement and public service in Guilford county. Jim Neal has nothing but rhetoric and "life experience" to run on and has not proven himself to be a qualified or capable candidate yet. This is not to say that he will never be a good candidate. Time will tell. I like the guy and may end up supporting him. But let's not blame the good folks up in Washington. They are just trying to turn this state blue, same as we are.

I don't care if he's a good candidate

I care if he's a good leader. The DSCC worries about whether someone can win, not whether someone can lead effectively. That's why I'd like them to keep the hell out of the primary with any of their promises unless they are offering all candidates the exact same thing.

Oh...and I know they don't give money in the primaries...or at least that's what they say. They just direct donors to the campaigns.....not that other people's money counts, right?

Good folks up in Washington? Heh....

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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The same could have been said of Liddy Dole

She had never run for anything in her life before running for Senate in 2000 (unless you count her abortive run for pres in 1999). She did, however have experience running the Red Cross right into the ground.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize folks. It's Liddy Dole who is the enemy. She's the one we've got to beat.

As for the "good folks in Washington", let them come visit NC once in a while, and we can show them our priorities, our energy, and our desires, then they can help us achieve ours, rather than the other way around.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Well said!

As for the "good folks in Washington", let them come visit NC once in a while, and we can show them our priorities, our energy, and our desires, then they can help us achieve ours, rather than the other way around.

I would hope our candidates as well as we advocates can get this message out to the "folks in Washington" prior to them even bothering to visit. They need to know we will assist them with their wants and needs right after they assist us to put our priorities first. The simple theory is that once we have the infrastructure here locally, we can help them affect the national agenda.

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

Max is prone to hyperbole.

But your points are well-taken. This isn't about what's happening anywhere else. And the truth is, all we have are a bunch of converging rumors backed up by a pretty well-organized whisper campaign.

As you said, we all have our agendas. One of mine is transparency.

Welcome.

Shining the light on Evil Neo-Con Republicans?

As you said, we all have our agendas. One of mine is transparency.* A

Can't ask anymore than that with anybody....about Governments or secret political think tanks that screw the American people over and over without being expose.....thank god for the internet and sites like BlueNC.....After all, the enemy is the Neo-con republicans and a few neo-con democrats, if they are stupid enough to believe that fascist crap.....

Well said, Max

Happy weekend to you.

Agendas!!!!

Thanks.....as to agendas, I consider the Art Pope machine the biggest threat to North Carolina citizens should they ever seize power in this state. We will be living in the dark ages with a police state mentality watching and trying to control every move like the present Republican leadership in DC is doing. The 2nd agenda is simply the Blackwater Group that lives in this State which should be expose as a corporate monster gone wild.....

Welcome super dork

thanks for joining in. I'll leave it to those who are much better with words then I to 'splain....

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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