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Ed Cone today raises a question about religiosity that will be with us for a good long while. It is grounded in the tempest in a teapot caused when a hate-mongering Catholic took issue with the fact that an Edwards blogger wasn't sufficiently reverential of his particular brand of mythology around the virgin birth.

The tempest has, of course, made its way into the mainstream media, where even old newspaper guys are weighing in with shrill opinions.

. . . dismissing the virgin birth as "ancient mythology" aims at the heart of Christianity. It's basic, mainstream belief. Millions of Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Lutherans and Baptists recite a creed in church every Sunday that includes the phrase "conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary." Attacking that fundamental belief indicates extreme intolerance -- and it's reassuring to me that Edwards himself said as much and was personally offended.

My dead daddy used to say that opinions are like assholes - everybody has one. So here's mine: Even though lots of people happen to believe some particular version of the god-inspired doctrine, that agreement has no relationship to its validity or truth.

As a back-sliding Baptist who was born again and again as a young church-goer, I feel fully qualified to comment on this and call bullshit on Theocrats no matter what sanctimonious ground they're standing on.

Beliefs are beliefs, pure and simple, not grounded in anything more than pure faith. That is the essence of religion - and any faith not strong enough to withstand questioning and skepticism is pretty shaky indeed.

More to the point, why do Theocrats care whether you or I or anyone else shares their particular beliefs? Why do Catholics care whether I think their religion is bat-shit looney or solid as a rock? Why do Mormons get all defensive when I raise my eyebrows at Joe Smith's golden plates or their revisionist history around polygamy?

The practice of zealots damning their critics has been with us for thousands of years. They themselves are the root cause of the intolerance they're so worried about. A belief system so fragile that it cannot withstand the rantings of a twenty-something blogger is pretty damn sad. And a religion that seeks to squelch criticism from heretics and non-believers is flat-out pathetic.

So I disagree with your passion for the Holy Grail or Reincarnation or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Coat of Many Colors? Why do you care?

Get over it.

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i care because...

...the book of putanesca warns us that the flying spaghetti monster is an angry beast, who will surely cast us into a boiling pit of chopped tomato if we fail in our efforts to teach the world the Truth of his Word.

i merely seek to save you from this terrible Fate.

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Okay

Your FSM brand of caring is okay by me.

:)

In fact, that's ostensibly the reason behind all the other evangelical caring, as far as I can tell. Saving me from myself and all that. Fair enough.

But Herr Donohoe sure has a funny way of showing that he "cares", wouldn't you say?

And God said to the repub flock! Shut TFU! Your're killing me!

So I disagree with your passion for the Holy Grail or Reincarnation or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Coat of Many Colors? Why do you care?* A

" Whatever we do! We must get Edwards first!,and the others later in the name of Jesus" * Art Shakespear

1. First it was the phony Edwards mansion story last week by Art Planation

2. Than we get him with those teenagers my space Edwards bloggers comments. *Brother batshit DiVinc thug

3. Than we steal the golden plates from the Temple and accuse Henry Ford as a bigot racist devil worshiper* Former Foxx network Detriot Lions Cheerleader

4. We secretly screw up Blue NC with our spies and watch Anglio have a heart attack* John Harry Potter Hood

5. And finally we have frivolious Bob Orr on WPTL early this morning saying 90% of the American people favor the death penalty in the name of Jesus. * Paul Stram minority leader of the Republicans in the state.

Some religious people are progressive/everyone deserves respect

I'm a progressive religious person.

I would argue that if you really care about pushing a progressive agenda forward, then you need to make peace with religious people and respect them. Maybe even make them feel welcome?

I disagree with your style of mocking religious people by calling their faith a "mythology."

If you really care about pushing a progressive agenda, you should be willing to be respectful of all people. If you think that my faith as a Catholic is "bat s*** loony" could you please keep it to yourself? (Furthermore, aren't you the least bit concerned that someone interested in progressive politics might be a little turned off by your language?)

I want the progressive movement in North Carolina to be inclusive enough to achieve a majority. Is anyone with me on this?

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

My language and I go back a long, long way.

And somewhere along that path I decided that whatever swearing I might do pales by light years in comparison to the obscenity of war, lying, religious persecution, greed, aristocracy, and racism.

Does it offend some sensibilities? I'm sure it does. But I do it to make a point. And around religion in particular, I do it specifically to challenge the breathtaking hypocrisy I see everyday around me.

If you really care about pushing a progressive agenda, you should be willing to be respectful of all people.

I'm willing to consider that I am wrong on this, but I don't believe I am disrespecting any individual, with the intentional exception of theocrats who are trying to impose their religion on others through government force. And even there, I generally don't disrespect the individuals . . . I disrespect what they stand for. (There are some clear exceptions of people for whom I have zero respect, but that's a different story.)

Religions are mythology in the purest sense of the word. What you believe is no more or less "believable" than what ancient Egyptians believed. Religions have faith as their anchor, which by definition is something believed, not known in any secular sense of the word.

Like you, I want the progressive movement in North Caroline to be inclusive enough to achieve a majority. And I want that inclusiveness to extend to people like me. Is there no room in your progressive vision for people who don't share your reverence for religion?

here's some quick...

...electoral math.

(progressive movement) - (language that excludes the possibility of offending anyone) = kerry

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Don't Leave Out Our Friends -

in the GOP.

(Right Wing neocons)- (their lies) = silence

here's another...

...equation.

(republican platform) + (neocons) + (time) = many new purple voters!

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965