Faith, morality and a message to General Pace

Faith in America, a North Carolina-based organization formed to end legal and spiritual discrimination against LGBT people in America by providing information about religion-based bigotry and its historic expressions, takes exception with General Pace's remarks about the immorality of gays, since he used his beliefs to justify public policy that discriminates against gays and lesbians who wish to serve their country.

A message from Jimmy Creech, executive director of Faith In America, is after the jump.

"While General Pace just tried to clarify his remarks by aligning his comments with standing military policy, a major issue remains unexplained.  General Pace needs to clarify what in his upbringing defined homosexuality to be immoral to him. Was it his civil life, his schooling, his religion that taught him that?  This is the question parents, teachers, clergy and the media should ask.  If it was his religious upbringing, we already know that religion has a history in the teaching of discrimination and hate.

"It is ridiculous to think that General Pace could curb his personal views when dealing with military policy.  His comments exposed more than simply `don't ask, don't tell' policy for the military, but exposed a very real practice in our society: bigotry against the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.  We wonder what General Pace would be saying if the question of the day were about African Americans or women serving in the military?

"When a person in such a position of power as General Pace uses a word like `immoral,' the person owes the country an explanation about how he comes to those positions. General Pace owes this country, especially those people who serve in the military, an explanation for attributing his outrageous statements to his upbringing."

It's true. Since the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff chose to share how his upbringing informs his judgment about how best to run the military -- and who has the moral standing to serve -- it's a legitimate question to ask how and why he feels those beliefs should play out in enforcing public policy as a military leader; he's not a minister.

Out gay Tar Heel entrepreneur and founder of Faith in America, Mitchell Gold, has a few words about religious bigotry and how it is used to harm LGBT citizens in the name of God.

Related posts on Pam's House Blend:

* Former Sen. Simpson crushes Gen. Pace, DADT in op-ed

* Anti-gay military hack Elaine Donnelly surfaces to comment on Pace 

* Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: gays are 'immoral'

* Gen. Pace: no apologies for calling gays immoral


Thank you for bringing this to BlueNC.

As I was listening to the Gold on Youtube, I kept wondering where I'd heard about him. I actually think it was from something I read at your place. That's a very effective video.

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He is also

a very successful businessman, and a very good Democrat. He has made a lot of money in his life, and he has put a lot of that money back into things he believes in. Definetly a good guy.

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"Keep the Faith"

Jimmy Creech

has been working on this for years and years. Thank God he is one who never gives up.


Great entry, Pam

Thanks for showcasing two moral leaders I didn't know much about. Good stuff.

I wish every gay and lesbian member of the armed forces would come out right now and ask to be discharged. The numbers I've heard suggest that Pace would find himself short about 70,000 active duty personnel.

Then if all the adulterers got discharged, Pace would probably lose another 500,000.

Then if all the people who have had sex outside of marriage were eliminated, Peter Pace would be up shit's creek without a paddle.

kicking out the adulterers

And who would be left to send over? Since the Pentagon has lowered standards in the various branches, they can now issue "morals waivers" and recruit people with antisocial personality disorder, autism, and let in those convicted of aggravated assault, robbery, vehicular manslaughter, receiving stolen property and making terrorist threats.

But no homos.

Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

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Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend

As I have shown here often, I'm no Bible expert

actually I prefer the Queen James version. I remember reading, very close to the two lines in Leviticus about man lying with man being an abomination to God, that eating shell fish (anything from the sea without scales) was also an abomination. Oh, and trimming your beard....wonder how many of those Perfect Christians shave. And aren't we suppose to kill our children if they are disrespectful to the parents? How literal should we take these chapters? Why are these people that use the Bible to push their hate agenda so good at cherry picking, with blinders on, in their clothing of mixed fibers, after they have given their face a clean shave?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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You have to trip over a lot of commandments to get to "immorality". How ironic that this man's name means "peace" in Italian: