The fix is in already!!

I was just contacted by a good friend in Granville County about what is turning into, at best a problem, but most likely IMO, a concerted effort to supress Democrats from voting in Granville County. From her message:

They opened the doors at 6:30 and we were 4th and 5th in line at the A-H table. There was a problem with the first guy in line. They got him out of line and I don't know where he went. I think they got him a provisional ballot. The next lady's name was on the list and she voted.

However, they couldn't find person #3's name in the book either. She was upset because she has been a registered voter in Granville County for many years. Next-my turn. My name is not there. Neither is ******* nor *******. WTF? I also told the lady that I have been registered to vote in Granville County for 14 years AND have voted in every election. I know this because I looked it up when you gave me the sample ballot webpage! WTF?

They gave me a provisional ballot but I didn't have time to vote with it because all the booths were full and I had to get to work!! But, as I'm leaving, I hear the lady at the A-H book tell the man running the precinct that the book might as well be thrown out because out of 15 people, only 3 have had their names listed.

OK. I am seething and I want an explanation!!! WTF is up here? I don't know what to do or who to call. I did notice the book with the names in it was more than half the size it was the last time I voted - and very strange since the lower half of Granville County has grown expeonentially since 2004. I know of about 600 new homes within 5 miles of my house. Something stinks!

Indeed. Something stinks, and it ain't the Neuse River. I haven't voted yet at my precient in Wake County, and am now curious at to if I will even be able to...

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This needs to be promoted and front paged!

This is just insane! Voting is our Constitutional right! The last two elections have been stolen! Are we going to allow yet another one to be stolen??

Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.

Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.

voting in Granville County

I'm seething. I am the friend Jim spoke about. I have an 18 year-old daughter who was excited about voting today. However, she registered to vote at the DMV in March so I looked for her registration at the BoE website last evening. Her name was not there but mine and my spouse's names were.

We got up at 5:30 this morning so we could be at our precinct (Wilton Elementary School) to vote before school and work.

As noted above, we were 4th and 5th in line to vote and persons 1 and 3 were not on the list. I arrived next to find that neither myself, my spouse or my daughter were listed on the rolls. This is far from strange since my spouse and I have been registered to vote in Granville County for 14 years and we have voted in EVERY election.

I did notice that several people behind me we also not listed in the book. They were also complaining that they were REGISTERED VOTERS and this made no sense.

The book itself was half the size it was in 2004 even though there have been significant growth in this area in the past 4 years and no precincts have been added. The lady manning the book was frustrated as half of the people she had seen were not listed!

Something just doesn't smell right. I have sent emails to the Granville County BoE, the State Democrat office. Does anybody have suggestions for others to contact?

DHARMA

I'm afraid this is a county by county BOE issue.

If something is rotten, it's in the Granville County BOE office. It might be time for a visit and a chat.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

The fix is in

If this is part of a fix, how would they know how I was going to cast my vote? This is a Democratic primary. I'm a white, middle aged woman who was voting for Obama!

They wouldn't.

Somebody in that office screwed up. Badly. Or removed people intentionally. And with so many people having problems in your one precinct, 12 of 15 voters?, you know I'd be looking for tin foil and calling democracyNC and the NCDP.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

I wish I had your confidence, but

After stolen elections, corrupt processes, voter intimidation and supression and 7 years of a fascist administration that dictates by decree and openly defies the Constitution and any law that gets in their way, I doubt this is just a local issue. Remember Florida 2000? How about Ohio 2004?

Am I upset? You bet. And upset doesn't even begin to describe it. I beleive the saying goes, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"!

Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.

Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.

Provisional ballots!

Very important that everyone do AT LEAST a provisional ballot today...at least try to do it during your lunch hour or after work.

registration totals

State Board of Elections totals for voter registration in Granville County show the following:

November 2004 28,854
November 2006 28,531
January 2008 29,048
May 2008 30,550

This does not indicate any wholescale purging. The most likely explanation is a programming error when the pollbooks for election day were generated. If so, this should be able to be rectified with new poll lists generated and sent out. There are other less likely explanations.

Granville had 3,966 persons vote at early voting sites with no problems reported.

You might go on the county website...

I'm in Surry County, and they have the county site, with the board of Elections option. Then when you put your name in, it should show your name and address as a validation thet they and the state have you registered. Then you know that you might want to contact the police.

Answer related to Granville Co problems at polls

From talking with Don Wright, attorney at the State Board of Elections, it appears that Granville County has a problem in some precincts where people's names have not been included on the printout of the poll book. This is because the county's 911 system hasn't correlated hundreds of addresses to a GIS coordinate, and the GIS coordinate is what the state elections database system uses to assign voters to the correct precinct. So active voters, particularly with a Hwy 96 or Hwy 56 addresses, did not getting a precinct assigned to them in the voter registration database. When the county goes to print the pollbooks, precinct by precinct, these voters names don't get printed on any precinct's books.

I've looked at database now and there are roughly 600 voters in this situation. The county could print out all these names with addresses and give a list to every polling place. Or give every polling place a laptop with a file of all registered voters in the county on it, so the official can look up voter by name and confirm they live at address. They may still have trouble associated them with the precinct.

Bottom line: All these voters should vote with a provisional ballot, even though it's a headache, and that ballot should definitely count.

Democracy North Carolina has an lawyer who try to help with problems today: Beth Jacobs at 919-286-6000 ext 18 OR call the national Election Protecton hotline 1-866-OUR-VOTE.

Bob Hall
Democracy North Carolina

Bob Hall

Thank you, Bob

So, no tin foil needed, just a pain in the rear because the county dropped the ball on something they should done. I hope the county or state BOE gets someone spreading the word to make sure those Granville poll workers know there's a big problem and what to do about it.

Again, thank you very much for this info. It is great to know you guys are on top of this.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Granville County

Mr. Hall,

Thank you for your response as I've been rattled about this. I never thought there was a "conspiracy theory" - just that it made no sense. I also want to demand that this does NOT happen in November, GRANVILLE COUNTY BoE. You have nearly 6 months to make certain of that!

From what Mr. Hall says, it appears Granville County officials knew about this problem yet didn't mention it to their poll workers this morning. They were as baffled as I was.

I will go and vote with a provisional ballot but I really shouldn't have to.

Voter Protection Warning Still Stands

I posted an advisory back in February at Blue NC for voters to check their registration status. I also sent out press releases to media across the state before early voting started.

Will your vote count in 2008? What steps should you take to protect your vote? The NC Coalition for Verified Voting has some important tips to ensure that your vote counts in the May Primary.
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Make Sure You Are Registered to Vote and That Your Vote Counts

Voter's Guide for the May 2008 Primary here (printable version here)

1. Check to make sure that you are registered, and or that you haven't fallen off the voting rolls.

...more at the link

Its just plain upsetting that voters fall off the rolls, sometimes through no fault of their own.

We have to do better, but I urge ALL voters to verify their registration status at either online at the State Board of Elections site, or by calling their County BoEs.

NCVoter, I was/am registered

NCVoter,

I was/am registered and checked my status the evening BEFORE I went out to vote. Our names were just not on the rolls. But the more I think about this, the more pissed off I am.
I went back to the polling site yesterday afternoon and there was no notice to the 600 voters who now had to vote with a provisional ballot. No apology. No explanation about why we couldn't just go and freaking vote. I asked the poll worker why they couldn't just get laptops and check the BoE website. He told me he asked the BoE in Oxford for laptops and they refused to provide them.
I also contacted the state BoE and spoke with Beth Jacobs but NOBODY has followed up with me about what happened.
It really feels like the state and county BoE is saying, "too bad, so sad".
BTW, I called the local paper and told them waht happened. The reported said he had only heard that there were no voting irrgularities. WRAL reported there were minor problems across the state but that they were all resolved.
I don't feel anything was resolved in my case. I voted with a provisional ballot and it shouldn't have had to be that way. I'm pretty angry.
My only recourse is to write to the judges and other local candidates and tell them that I wasn't about to vote for them on election day. Maybe, just maybe, something will be done then.
As of right now (and knowing how they operate in Granville County), I am sure they won't solve the problem by November.
Dharma

thank you and I've reported one prob to 866-OUR-VOTE

Bob, I called the 866 number to report an incident in Alamance County - and was very pleased to get a knowledgable live person!

Here is the complaint I passed on, in the hopes that it won't happen again today:

Holden said:

I took some members of my Mom's Sunday School class to their polling place in southern Alamance County (Eli Whitney Recreational Center) - some problems or confusion there concerning two older black women who appeared to be voting for the first time. They claimed they had registered as "unaffiliated" but apparently were given ballots for "independents" which did not allow them to vote for Obama. When they complained, they were told nothing could be done since they had already voted. These two women appeared confused and disappointed.

carrboro problem voting

We got an email from a friend in Carrboro who went to vote early today. He had recently changed his affiliation from Democratic to Unaffiliated. When he went to vote, they would only give him an unaffiliated ballot. He asked repeatedly for a Democratic ballot, but was refused. We hope he has reported it, but what can he do now about not getting his chance to vote in the Dem primary?

Oh.....these stories make me ill

I heard of people leaving because the lines were simply too long. I do hope they go back. If it is a problem now, imagine the problem we will have in November. I hope your friend did report it.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

how to report the problems, even after the election

The friend should email the NC SBOE and report this because this could be a training issue or it could be deliberate. If no one contacts the SBOE, they won't know about it and can't do anything to correct or improve the situation. You can email the NC SBOE at this address:
Elections & Voting - elections.sboe@ncmail.net

Second, it would be nice if the friend or anyone with election/voting problems would go to the widget/form on my website www.ncvoter.net and fill in the online complaint form on the right hand side.

A national group of election integrity advocates and attorneys will review the reports and use the information to take action in some cases, and further to use to lobby for better laws or election practices.

So the more people report these problems, the better we can do next time.

I'm not from NC, but the

I'm not from NC, but the stories on this thread sound familiar to an Ohioan (that's me.) In the 2004 presidential election, we had many indidences like these. You may have heard of Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio Secretary of State. Seems old Ken had things so rigged that voters were ready to riot. Ohio had troubles with voting machines (registering Geo. Bush's name when Kerry's name was chosen) people standing in a cold rain due to inadequate amounts of voting machines, not enough ballots, votes being counted with no monitors present, etc. All of this would have gone unnoticed if it hadn't been for those wise enough to call the media to report on it. Many called DNC monitors. Well, Ken is no longer the OH Sec. of State and is in court answering voting impropriety questions a lot. Imagine that!

At least call the media to do reports and listen to complaints!!!! Find out who monitors these polls and get ahold of them. File complaints with with the County Board of Elections. VOTE AS IF YOUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON IT, BECAUSE IT DOES!!!

I'm not from NC, but the stories on this thread sound familiar to an Ohioan (that's me.) In the 2004 presidential election, we had many indidences like these. You may have heard of Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio Secretary of State. Seems old Ken had things so