Hagan being courted to challenge Neal?

Via the Dome from Gary Pearce.

Even before Jim Neal outed himself, Kay Hagan was looking at getting back in the U.S. Senate race. Now she’s getting more encouragement – from home and from Washington. Hagan, a state senator from Greensboro, had looked at running earlier. She pulled back because Senator Charles Schumer from New York, who chairs the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, was intent on recruiting Grier Martin. Martin eventually opted out.

Now Hagan is reconsidering. She’s being wooed by North Carolina Democrats – and by Schumer. The garrulous New Yorker’s first task was to eat crow with Hagan.

As I said in my comment at the Dome: It's sad to see all the power elite getting uppity when they don't get to hand pick their "boy" in North Carolina. Kay had every chance in the world to make this run months ago. She passed. Now it appears that the only real question is how much it takes to buy the reluctant candidate? From where I sit, the DSCC's track record in North Carolina doesn't even rise to the level of pathetic.

More to the point, it sounds like Pearce himself is engaged in some convenient revisionist history about what Hagan was or wasn't thinking before Neal declared his candidacy.

Don't get me wrong. Kay Hagan is a good woman and I have nothing against her. But if she enters this race, one thing will be clear: she's running against Jim Neal, not Liddy Dole.

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I'm supporting Jim Neal

at this point. I like Hagan well enough, but if she didn't have the gumption to run against Grier b/c he was the pick of the boys in DC, then I could not respect her decision to get back into the race at this point.(edit - I know she wasn't technically in the race.....) If there is nothing bad out there about Neal, then I can only assume that Shumer is a homophobe. Say it ain't so, Chuck, say it ain't so.

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I read it the same way you do.

Plus I must also add that the national Democratic establishment pretty much sucks as far as I'm concerned. I know they say they're trying, but as Yoda advises: There is not try. There is do. Or do not.

Looks to me like Democrats in Congress are mostly focused on the "do not" part of that Jedi advice.

Either way...Jim Neal will have to be organized and dynamic

in his campaign. He will need a message that "rings true" to every tarheel. People are looking for a message and bearer to carry it.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Sounds to me like Schumer is desperate

He's showing his colors in assuming (like most northerners do) that everyone down here is a redneck or a black homophobe and that there isn't a chance in hell Neal could be a viable candidate. Exactly how will we ever find out if the dolts at the DSCC never try shaking things up? All the folks they courted showed no interest, and Neal stepped up to the plate. Would they preferred that he stayed in the closet or given a prop wife? Sounds like Republican 2.0 to me.

The move to do an end run around Neal now by trying to pull Hagen is smells of desperation -- and dare I say it -- homobigotry couched as they know best what North Carolinians actually want in terms of representation -- and that means no out homos.

Also, when was the last time any of the DSCC set foot in NC to truly understand the political complexities -- and possibilities -- in this state? Just asking...

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hmm

Also, when was the last time any of the DSCC set foot in NC to truly understand the political complexities -- and possibilities -- in this state? Just asking...

Never.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

hagan has held office

Hagan has run for and won office, Neal has not. That may be more of what the DSCC is looking at than the gay issue, although I have no idea what they are thinking, of course. Also, we have to face the fact that Neal just moved back here in 2006 and will be hit with the carpetbagger charge, unfair since he didn't come back here just to run and of course, Dole did and had been gone 40 years, not 25, but that won't matter to her, she's got a lot of gall.

I would welcome her candidacy, although I certainly would not immediately support her. I will see what they have to say about the issues and then will decide.

who is running against who

Isn't it a little egotistical to think that if Hagan enters the race she will be doing so merely to block a candidate we like?

If we have a primary, we ought to assume that every candidate is running in good faith to retire the increasingly out of touch Liddy Dole.
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As long as the DSCC doesn't offer money or support

to only ONE candidate, then I agree. If they step up for Hagan and not Jim Neal, then something is amiss.

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Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
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Not egotistical

I'm sure Kay Hagan wants to retire Liddy Dole, but it's naive to ignore the timing of this particular rumor (Pearce must have some skin in this game). It's also naive to pretend the DSCC isn't scrambling like hell to make sure Dole's challenger isn't an out-gay businessman.

If Hagan enters the race, it won't be to "merely" block a candidate I like. It will more likely be because the DSCC has promised her a boatload of money to help them block a candidate I like.

Neal is the only declared candidate in this race. His name isn't listed on the DSCC site. Nor is there a mention on the NCDP site. That's because you guys are part of the Democratic Party Establishment. You have to wear rose colored glasses and hold your nose when Chuck Schumer comes a calling.

Unfortunately, I can still smell just fine.

While you're at it,

You should add the two declared candidates for NC-06, such as they are.


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the DSCC golden boy

did not run. My guess she wanted to run all along but was not going to primary against Martin becasue she knew she would lose in the primary, but now that Martin is out she is looking at getting in.

Thanks, Jerimee!

Didn't mean to be snippy. I know you work your ___ off for the good of the cause. So please forgive my grumpiness today.

thanks!

I kind of like to think of us all as the Democratic "establishment." Everyone has an obligation to persuade the group to do the right thing.

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Antiestablishmentarianism

I am not part of the machine. :)

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Rage Against the Machine.

F*ck you I won't do what you tell me....


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Actually

I became part of the machine so that I could fix what I saw as a horribly broken, desperately sinking ship. I often feel like I'm drowning with it, and I often feel like I should be on the outside throwing rocks.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

No, it isn't egotistical to think that

but it is naive to think that we don't recognize this DSCC maneuvering for what it is. We aren't stupid rednecks no matter what you DC types think. :)

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Speak for yourself!

Just because the DSCC is transparent in their manipulations doesn't mean I'm not a stupid redneck, dammit!

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My apologies

I did not mean to offend any stupid rednecks. I am so embarrassed.



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Remember, we are a majority.

The minorities in this country compared to rednecks are whites, blacks, hispanics, women, men, gay's, straight's, dogs, cats and field mice.

I'm just a redneck that is originally from Southern California.

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Good point Jerimee

I can't find the quote but I thought I read Jim Neal say that he would welcome a primary....

However, I think Charles Schumer sucks...heh.

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He did say that.

I read it too.

(Just to be clear, I don't speak for Jim Neal or anyone else other than myself. I know he would welcome a primary - and I suspect it would be a good thing all around. I think Robert's comment is the one that matters most. If DSCC funnels money into a primary challenger, that would cross the line.)

Think you're both right

and like MTB said below, as long as it doesn't become a mudfest a primary can go a long way towards nicely introducing Neal (and Hagan) to the whole state. It would be nice to get to know how Jim handles himself before the swiftboat machine gets into high gear.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

As long as it doesn't get ugly,

a primary would force N.C. Democrats to decide if Jim Neal being gay is an issue or not.

If he wins the primary, that will go a long way towards legitimizing him as a candidate.

You're right.

And I'm not anti-primary at all; it's part of the process, and should be. But she said she didn't want to do it. She said she didn't want to run. Now she does? My first question to her would be:

What the hell changed your mind?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

To me, being a US Senator from NC

means being the US Senator FOR NC.

I want/need somebody in that office who cares deeply about all North Carolinians and who is confident, smart, strong, bullheaded when necessary, hardnosed when the chips are down, and fearless. Whatever else Jim Neal is, everything I've seen, read and heard from, by or about him says he is

confident, smart, strong, bullheaded when necessary, hardnosed when the chips are down, and fearless.

Hagan may be great. I'm sure she is. I've never heard a negative word spoken about her (except the NCSSM tuition grant stuff, but I liked the grant and thought the Lege should keep it in place) BUT if her reconsideration on a Senate run is about what it looks to be about ... the DLC party's jelly-spine fear showing... then she is none of the things I need in a US Senator from/for NC.

That's my two pennies. ;)

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Sure

I've only just started to learn about Jim Neal. And I don't know much about Kay Hagan.

As long as the participants don't take their cues from our gubernatorial candidates and turn this into a mud fight, I like primaries. While I like what I've heard from Jim Neal so far, I'd like to see him go through a primary to make sure he's our guy against Dole.

I'm open on this one. I'm excited about Jim's candidacy, and maybe I can get excited by Hagan's. I think my first question to Hagan would be, how come she never took on Howard Coble? Or did she?

GMTA

I think my first question to Hagan would be, how come she never took on Howard Coble? Or did she?

See my post below. I don't think she ever did - and she should have.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

If Kay Hagan wants to go to Washington

I suggest she take on the 6th Congressional District. We'd be more than glad to support her.


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Join up, folks! Just found it.

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Jim Neal for U.S. Senate!

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He’s got the courage to take on Liddy Dole. That was enough for me, but every passing day shows that he’s on the side of truth, justice, and our Constitution. He's our man for the United States Senate in North Carolina.

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Thanks Pam

I just joined.

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hurumph

I see how it is. I invite you and you ignore me. Pam gives you alink and you join. Fine.

By the way, thanks Sam for creating the group.

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"Keep the Faith"

I didn't ignore you silly......

I just haven't checked my emails....one account hasn't been accessible since the 16th. TWC tech is coming out tomorrow to bring a new modem. I'm almost completely out of the loop. That and I just like Pam better. :) (j/k...you know I love you)

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DSC would like a candidate

who has less negatives and has legislative and election experience. They see Dole as vulnerable to a good challenger. With Hagan they lose a couple negatives and gain a couple positives, so why not try to get her in the race?

It shouldn't matter, but I know that Neal would be a very tough sell in Person County and, I suspect, in other non-urban counties as well. I hate to break it to you folks but it ain't the 21st century everywhere yet. Heck, In Person Co. we still have some 19th century issues hanging on.

I agree 100% with the sentiment that DSC should not give resources to one dem over another. Rahm Emmanuel really pissed on a couple of good dems in 2006, and I'd hate to see that happen to Neal. If we do have a primary, let it be decided by the voters of NC, not Charles Shumer.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

The root cause question is what's bugging me.

What's the root cause here? What is the DSCC's motivation? It would be REEEEAALL in'erestin' to me to have the following already asked question answered ...

were they promising Martin massive dollars and support if he won the primary?

are they promising Hagan massive dollars and support if she wins the primary?

are they promising Neal massive dollars and support if he wins the primary?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Good questions ...

I would venture the answers would be

Yes.
Yes.
No.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

Bet on it.


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Persondem

I live in one of those counties, too. I'm sick to death of pandering to the ones stuck in the 19th century. I'm so delighted that Jim Neal is running and I can't wait for him to come to Moore County and shake those folks right out of their complacency.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Yep. I am glad Neal is running

whatever the outcome (assuming it's not some kind of disaster), the next time it will be easier. One of the more disgusting traits of humanity is its apparent need to cling to needlessly divisive labels. Reminds me of Gulliver's travel and the big endians versus the little endians.

I would really like some researcher to check into a gay/straight comparison as to the longevity of their relationships. I suspect that hetero's might be put to shame.

The way I like to think of it, 95% of the time people are near about the same - everyone's just looking for a reason to smile. :-)

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

If the DSC is anything like the DCCC there may be a problem....

The DCCC has made it clear to me that the only hope that they woulld assist me is if the incumbant is defeated in his own primary.

For the Marshall Adame for Congress campaign, the DCCC has more or less said "don't call us. We'll call you".

I will not forget that.

They could have left the hope standing, but I guess that would have been to much to expect.

Congressmen have been elected without their help. I will be one of them if necessesary.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Setting the table

I'm still not sure the table has been entirely set. There may be more than Hagan out there. If so, then we have an opportunity to be part of the vetting that influences progressive stands by the candidates. Neal said some really good things in a general way last weekend, but his views aren't yet fully fleshed.

Would he vote to repeal the Patriot Act? The Miltary Commissions Act? Where's his line on the FISA legislation? Civil liberty is a deal breaker for me.

What about corporatism? Offshoring profits (tax avoidance)? Fair trade? Incentives? I liked his comment on labor rights but economic liberty is broader than that.

Imperialism? Health Care? Environment/Energy? The assault on science and reason?

I will need more of a sense on these things from any candidate. Even more so if I have a choice in a primary. We most certainly need to be shed of the pathetic embarrassment that is Liddy Dole but we also desperately need a Senate that has progressive tar on its feet.

Here's the thing

I see where the DSCC and DCCC are coming from. But if Jim wins the primary, and/or raises an impressive sum before December 31 and March 31, the DSCC will take notice. Liddy is still a major target, and I know Jim's spending the time on the phone he needs to spend to be viable. Nothing talks like money, and Jim's going to be able to raise it.

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I think we need a primary...

I'd support Neal or Hagan, but I don't think that Neal has the public official experience, and neither really have statewide recognition to ultimately knock Dole out of the Senate. (Grier Martin didn't really either, but would have had appeal to NC voters with military connections.)

Have we completely abandoned all hope of a superstar entering the race? I know we Democrats like the underdog stories, but for once could we make things a little easier on ourselves by supporting someone who WILL beat Elizabeth Dole rather than someone who just has a small chance?