I don't like the sound of this... PLEASE READ

I would like everyone to read about HR 1955. I've copied this from a diary by OPOL on DKos. You need to read the whole thing...I've provided the link further below.

Thursday, October 25, 2007

Declaration of War vs. The People

On October 23, 2007 the U.S. Government declared War on the American People. By a vote of 404 to 6, the U.S. House of Representatives approved HR 1955: The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. This act designates every American who acts -- OR PROMOTES ACTION -- against the U.S. Government to be a TERRORIST. Simply put: If you've ever said that George W. Bush should be hanged as a war criminal, you sir, are a Terrorist.

404 to 6. And they did this while no one was paying attention.

WHY HR 1955 WAS RAMMED THROUGH UNDER COVER OF FIRE

By: Devvy

October 29, 2007
© 2007 - NewsWithViews.com

"Paper is poverty, .... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1788

Last week while the horrific fires were burning up Southern California and every major news network, including cable were providing non-stop coverage, a very dangerous bill to liberty and freedom was passed by 404 members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Called the 'Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007', (snip)

Source

Our own government is preparing to wage war on us and it’s not even the Repubs leading the charge. This little bit of legislative treason comes to us courtesy of our beloved Democrats.

We can all thank the bill’s sponsor, Democrat Jane Harmon [CA-36], and her 14 co-sponsors only four of whom are Repubs.

H.R.1955 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (Referred to Senate Committee after being Received from House)

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.

(a) In General- Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:

`Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism
`SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.

`For purposes of this subtitle:

`(1) COMMISSION- The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.

`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

`(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE- The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.

Please go HERE to read the whole diary with links to the sources.

And...consider that the SCOTUS is going to hear a "Right To Bear Arms" case in the near future.

As I said...this doesn't seem good to me. Paranoid? Maybe. But decide for yourself.

Comments

I really hope everyone will read this...HR 1955

I'd not heard a word about it until this DKos diary came up. Had you? Point 4 in the Bill really bothers me! Who defines what... and What do you think?

Stan Bozarth

Holy keerap

I'm sorry, but on first read this is very scary.

(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Which of us trusts the Bush administration and the judges it owns to interpret the above?

I do not.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Here's the link ro the full text of the Bill

Here You'll have to enter HR 1955.

It appears to me this bill establishes a commission to look into "homegrown" terrorism and that this commission would have some extraodinary powers.

After what has happened with Habeas Corpus, Torture, Posse Comitatus, The Patriot Act, and FISA...and all the unchecked violations of our Constitution and laws, this seems just another step along the path to another McCarthy era...but this time it will be worse. We're the radicals...because we want OUR America back.

If anyone thinks I'm being paranoid, speak up. On the other hand, if not, may be we need to be speaking up NOW!

Stan Bozarth

Not paranoid

You're absolutely right. Where are the libertarians when we need them? Here's a friendly reminder of something you can do.

Growing government for the sake

of growing government.....

`SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

`(a) Establishment- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, State, local and tribal homeland security officials through training, education, and research in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. In carrying out this section, the Secretary may choose to either create a new Center designed exclusively for the purpose stated herein or identify and expand an existing Department of Homeland Security Center of Excellence so that a working group is exclusively designated within the existing Center of Excellence to achieve the purpose set forth in subsection (b).

`(b) Purpose- It shall be the purpose of the Center to study the social, criminal, political, psychological, and economic roots of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States and methods that can be utilized by Federal, State, local, and tribal homeland security officials to mitigate violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.

Well daaaaaa, what has homeland security been doing for the past how many years? They do not even know yet the roots of home grown terrorists? How Americans could be violently radicalized and we have no clue how to stop it? So we have to create a "working group" to figure this out?

What has the CIA and FBI been doing about terrorist groups and how have they been training? These two agencies already have this data. What happened to the requirement to share data between Agencies as identified after 9/11? This is a waste of resources.

So up until this bill becomes law, Homeland security is not training our state and local agencies on how to handle potential home grown terrorists, on how to identify etc? This is such a method for creating 1984. When will we have to start turning in our neighbors as potential terrorists because they went out into the woods with other people and started shooting things. You know, hunt clubs, etc. Today, we do not have to, but if this becomes law, in 10 or 15 years, what will this law morph to?

What I see with this bill is Congress and Homeland security moving down the road again of McCarturism(sp) of the 1950s. This commission and the people hired to enforce this law will have to find people that are potential terrorists or groups that could be swayed to work in a manor that is violent. If they cannot, then they are not doing their job. If they are not doing their job, they will lose their job.

If this bill was active during the 1960 and 70s, what would have happened to the "radical and violent" groups of protesters? Black Panthers and the KKK. Law took care of both those groups. This law has such a huge potential to split this country along racial lines it is not funny.

What will happen to anyone who waves a confederate flag in their front lawn? A huge group of folks who are hearkening to a time when the South left the Union under violent terms. If that is not a terrorist act and a philosophy that does not support this law, nothing will. Say good bye to any group or organization that peacefully remembers the Confederate States. (I do not intend this to become a thread on that subject, just throwing this out to show how quickly this law will go where it was not intended)

Just think if Reno had this law backing her, what would have Waco looked like? What would happen to the Michigan militia or any para-military organization? What will happen to Blackwater, a known training camp that has performed actions that are contrary to the Governments best interest that potintally could encourage other terrorists organizations to band together to overthrow our Government. It could be a stretch under the intent of this bill, but a case to call Blackwater a violent homegrown terrorist organization could be made.

The peace activists that throw "blood" on warships and on women who wear furs will be guilty of this law as they utilize violence to get their point across.

No, this is enabling to much power to go witch hunting.

If they want a law to go after terrorists, then define a terrorist organization, define what powers state, local and federal agencies may employ to validate this terror group and what a state, local and federal agency may do to remove that terrorist group if determined they are a threat to national or local security. This law needs to follow the KISS process. Keep it simple stupids.....

Right now, under our current laws, we know or should know were every violent group is (I purposely left out terrorist). They will be utilizing the internet to spread their word. It will be a relatively simple process to catch them. Once this law goes into effect, these groups will go deep underground and will be harder to find, monitor and stop when needed. Under this law, any group that advocates the use of violence in any manor is guilty of breaking this law.

The true "law" that should be made is the "law" of honoring our town, region, state and country. If one is trained to honor those around us, we will give those that need guidance and direction in their lives the push they are looking for. Without that, someone will fill that void for them. In this case, violent and radical thinking.

Where as I do not like this bill....

and certainly wouldn't vote for it, I do not see in the post the section that protects the average citizen. Found in section 899B Findings is: (8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.

We already are losing civil liberties and the very freedoms this country was founded on. We must reverse this. If we continue on the current path then we lose plain and simple. At least they put the above section in the bill. It's a start.

Jay Ovittore
Candidate- 6th Congressional District

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson

Jay Ovittore

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson

Thanks for your reply...

I read the Bill and remain conflicted over its intent. It would seem that such laws can be used to define what is free speech (for example) and what is not. I don't like that.

Stan Bozarth

No Jay, it is not a "Good Start". The Intent is flawed.

Supression and control are the most likely intent. The Patriot Act, Detainee Bill, Homeland Security "extraordinary Authority"...All of it is increaseing the governments control over the daily lives of the average American in ways which will eventually render our Constitution powerless, but "constitutionally powerless!!"

Whether this is all about terrorism is "Suspect". There are plenty of existing laws to allow the Government to pursue the bad guys. This stuff is all about "controlling" the Good Guys, you and me.

The Democratic Congressman , or woman who sponsored this should be run out of office.

Do not be so willing to turst your liberty to those who's greatest advantage is in removing it from you.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Marshall

As I said above I would not vote for this bill. I was simply pointing out the language missing from the post that dealt with liberties and freedoms and the protection of them. I have said it before and I will say it again the extreme of either side is just that extreme. We should have every bit of the information available before we decide and react, not just frame what is convenient to the debate in which we are engaging.

Again, I would never vote for a bill of this nature ever. I agree with your reasoning, and I respect and support you in your run. We must make sure, however, that we have all the facts and not just some of them. That is what the other side of the aisle does. We must live by higher standards.

Jay Ovittore
Candidate- 6th Congressional District

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson

Jay Ovittore

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson would have call out the Milita on this one Jay!

The Democratic Congressman , or woman who sponsored this should be run out of office.* Marshall

The villain in this is Congresswomen Jane Harman Democrat from California who sponsor this outrageous police state bill against the citizens of America. She reps the largest military-industrial complex district in the nation and has recieved almost 70% of her campaign funding from these international corporate Global arms dealers over the years.

Only 6 members of congress voted against it, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and 4 more anti-war democrats who understand that the defense of extremism is a virtue of liberty in this war against Orwellianism.

I Agree

Max. They should be run out of office.

Jay Ovittore
Candidate- 6th Congressional District

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson

Jay Ovittore

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Thomas Jefferson

Good Lord. I can't believe I'm defending this, but

I think there's more to this bill than just "taking away" liberties. I think this is an effort by Congress to make up a serious shortfall in the way the Executive has been approaching internal security.

If you read the extended remarks by the Rep from Texas (can't remember her name), it is apparent that combating racial profiling is one of the (hoped for) benefits of this Commission's research, and protecting Civil Rights (as Jay mentioned above) seems to be one of the standards to guide the fact-finding.

And lastly, this Commission is only empowered to access information (unless I'm missing something), and later make recommendations to Congress about needed legislation.

Here is the glitch scharrison..the intent will be forgotten....

and as with all laws it will be extended to areas of our lives that it was not intended to reach by the drafters.

The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) is a prim example. It was written to effect about 155 super rich, and now it applys to about 20 million people who can suffer because of it.

The RICO Laws are another example. Written originally to reign in the Mafia, it was later extended to hundreds of thousands or regular citizens and groups it was not "Originaly" intended to reach.

Government cannot resist being inventive when it seeks to reach certain elements of the population. More laws like this is exactly what they do not need in thier government enforcement toolbox.

Government overreaching, using the Patriot Act, has not even began yet.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Very possibly, Marshall.

it will be extended to areas of our lives that it was not intended to reach by the drafters.

I'm actually more worried about them focusing too heavily on how the Internet can facilitate violent ideologies, causing them to recommend "tightening" regulations.

We'll see. I'll try to keep an eye out so we can take a look at who's appointed to the Commission, and maybe follow up on some of their activities.