Merry Charismas


 
It's nice for people whose world is so well ordered that the significance of celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ can be reduced to compiling lists of stores that are are naughty and those that are nice. If you don't say Merry Christmas expect a lump of coal from Raleigh's Called2Action and, the American Family Association:

...it has now become politically incorrect for Jesus to be seen in public on His birthday.

Some Christians ask, "What's the big deal? Why make such a fuss?" We must all wake up to the fact that there are Americans today who, like King Herod, are troubled at even the mention of Jesus' name; and they are doing everything in their power to publicly eradicate His memory. If they can do that, they can have the Gospel condemned as so-called "hate speech".

This is a significant battle in a much larger war... let's all do our part by helping to Keep Christ in Christmas!

The 2006 Do's and Don'ts of Christmas:

We will be compiling a list of which stores do include Merry Christmas, and which stores don't.


 
When will these people put down their bibles long enough to embrace mankind in the spirit of Jesus instead of dividing it with fear-mongering and belligerent speech? Jesus praised the poor woman in the temple, not the affluent attention grabbers.

And I wonder how many poor, homeless people in Raleigh's Moore Square will be able to take shelter in the nativity scene that Called2Action intends to push in front of the Raleigh City Council next Tuesday and onto TV news and the front page of the newspapers.
 

Please join us next Tuesday night, December 5th as we seek permission from the Raleigh City Council to put up a Nativity Scene in Moore Square !
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Last year it was "smooth sailing" when we asked the Council for permission (Praise God!), but the display was designed in such a way that the city of Raleigh itself could have put it up. This year's display is strictly a Christian focus, but since it will be put up & paid for by private citizens, we have every constitutional right to do so. Please pray that God will grant us favor with the Council, but if there is a "legal snag", we are prepared to act quickly to see our rights protected.

 
These people are missing the message of Jesus. They are busy turning all the pages of the Bible except those of the New Testament. They want to keep Christ in Christmas? I say help keep the Jesus in Jesus Christ. Peace, love, forgiveness, redemption.

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Won't it be a blessed day

when the government hating, party of fear and lies find out they lost!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Dear Jesus.

I know you're busy these days keeping up with all the killing being done in your name, but if you have a spare moment, would you please stop by Raleigh and tell some of your lunatic followers that you're not very happy with the idols and graven images they're making.


Thou shalt not make unto thee any
graven image or any likeness of any thing
that is in heaven above, or that is in the
earth beneath, or that is in the water
under the earth:

For a bunch of Bible-thumping theocrats, the nativity-scene pushers sure don't seem to know much about the scriptures.

Okay! Move the big Phallus Tree to the Right! Ah that's better?

For a bunch of Bible-thumping theocrats, the nativity-scene pushers sure don't seem to know much about the scriptures.* Bishop A

Hey! It's nothing but another Chapter in the DiVince Code for them. Wait until some Church Lady in the Choir tells them they are a bunch of Porn Xmas Tree pagan Phallus worshipers.

Fear and loathing

If you think I'm making up the fearmongering, take a look at the AFA website and in particular the petition that Donald Wildmon is circulating along with an article comparing the Koran with "Mein Kampf", the collected works of Voltaire, a volume of New York Times editorials, the Book of Mormon and, L Ron Hubbard's "Dianetics"as "favorite books" that members of Congress might be tempted to hold while taking the oath of office.

Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.
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He should not be allowed to do so.... because the act undermines American civilization
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If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11.

Hilarious..

that these bible thumpers go to such lengths to protect pagan symbols that have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus.

Were there Christmas trees, mistletoe, and wreaths in Bethlehem?
Uh, no.
Did the three wise men shop at Walmart?
Nope.
Was Jesus even born on Dec 25th?
I don't think so.

The whole practice of Christmas as we know it is an adaptation of pagan rituals related to the winter solstice which were adopted to make Christians more likely to celebrate Jesus' birthday...including the date it is celebrated.

So, let 'em freak out...it just goes to show that it has absolutely nothing to do with their sacred religious beliefs and everything to do with the radical right trying to control our country.

Idiots.

Larry Kissell is MY Congressman

Wait A Minute.... !

I hate to put a damper on all the anti-evangelical fire, but I really wonder if such a critique is appropriate for a political website. If Call2Action or the American Family Association were up to something that was patently political, and undeniably partisan, then I'd be all in favor of calling them on it.

However, that's not what they're doing with their "Do's and Don'ts of Christmas Campaign." And if they're simply involved in a campaign - no matter how naive, wrong headed or ludicrous - that doesn't have a political dimension to it, then derision of their motives doesn't belong on a website devoted to politics and the Democratic Party.

If we criticize evangelicals for intruding their sectarian religious opinion into the public square, then they have a right to be equally offended by a partisan political website intruding into the world of religious opinion. Even more to the point, they have every good reason to be offended by a photo that implicitly compares them with the NAZI's.

In fact, if they are not offended by the use of that photo, then I am.

I'm 56 years old. I moved to North Carolina five years ago. The previous twenty-five years I spent as a resident of Chicago's north shore and before that Wisconsin, Utah and California. I live in Moore County. My Congressman is Howard Coble, my State Sen

Called 2 Action

is patently political. They're hell bent on pushing God into public schools and are the driving force behind requiring the Pledge of Allegiance (under God) in North Carolina classrooms.

If we criticize evangelicals for intruding their sectarian religious opinion into the public square, then they have a right to be equally offended by a partisan political website intruding into the world of religious opinion.

This makes no sense to me. These evangelicals have aggressively intruded with their religious opinions into the public square, and are part of a growing movement to divert public money into faith-based initiatives. I resent that intrusion and feel obliged to criticize. If they wish to be offended by well-deserved ridicule, that is their choice.

Yes, but is THIS political?

When any religious organization tries to push prayer into the public schools then it's appropriate to offer comment and be critical. In fact, I'd happily join you in that criticism. However, in this specific instance that's not what they're doing.

If the Baptist Church decides that giving floral bouquets to your sweet heart is a sin then, at least in my mind, they are wrong. If they refuse to allow florists to join their congregation, then I believe that they are being foolish and trivializing themselves. However, none of that should open them up to being publicly labeled as fascists.

If we do that, then what label will be left when we want to describe what happened in Rwanda, or what is happening right now in Darfur? Should we say that genocide is just about as bad as this insipid campaign to force merchants to emphasize Christ at Christmas?

I'm 56 years old. I moved to North Carolina five years ago. The previous twenty-five years I spent as a resident of Chicago's north shore and before that Wisconsin, Utah and California. I live in Moore County. My Congressman is Howard Coble, my State Sen

I think so.

The fact that they are engaged in high drama to seek government permission makes it patently political. Greg's comment below covers this better than I could.

Plus I echo his sentiments about the nature of this site. We are about all things progressive. Sometimes that means politics, sometimes it means Christmas tree sales, and sometimes it means laughing out loud!

Glad you're here to keep the conversation interesting.

Waiting

Called2Action is decidedly partisan and very active politically as is the AFA. These "campaigns" are disingenuous ploys to position Republicans on the "right" side of every issue. It is quite clear that the AFA is anti-Muslim.

Listing stores because they do NOT say "Merry Christmas" is an insidious form of discrimination. I don't have a problem with anyone saying "Merry Christmas". I do have a problem with anyone being pressured into saying it. The labelling of Jewish stores by Nazis was a precursor to Kristallnacht and subsequent atrocities. An extreme comparison perhaps but it represents my gut reaction to these attempts to frame the issues in such a way that only one group can claim the "high ground" and score political points. I can use a picture of a marked storefront with no Nazis in it. People became used to escalating discrimination against Jews slowly but surely.

The "Merry Christmas" campaign is a publicity stunt, the "Nativity Scene" is part publicity stunt and part probing of the church/state boundaries and is being done at the last minute for maximum sense of urgency. This could have been explored six months ago. Dropping this on the City Council at in December is political. This late ploy does not give much opportunity for reasoned discussion of issues of free speech and use of public property.

I am not anti-evangelical and nothing in the post indicates that. As for topics, we cover a lot of ground at BlueNC.

Listing stores because they

Listing stores because they do NOT say "Merry Christmas" is an insidious form of discrimination. I don't have a problem with anyone saying "Merry Christmas". I do have a problem with anyone being pressured into saying it.

Do you have a problem with stores being pressured OUT of saying it? My only dog in this hunt is that pretty much all stores USED to say "Merry Christmas," but got scared out of it by those who are so fragile that they would complain, even threaten to sue, about being offended by a specific message about Christmas. I just think they need have some guts sometimes. I am no more offended by anyone's holiday/religious message than I was by walking by one of those crazy bible-thumpers screaming at me from the Pit in Chapel Hill (a designated "pretty much anything goes" area of campus for those who don't know.)

The Nativity Scene controversies every year are crap. Either accomodate everyone's message or none on public property or with public funds. On the other hand, the whole ACLU "tear down the cross" thing in California is crap too. It's one thing to stop the government from "endorsing" a certain religion. It's another to sue to have a monument up for decades destroyed because it somehow "injures" you as an atheist.

To say that this is not political

is a little disingenuous, I think. Both of these groups have political agendas, and this campaign is but part of them. I think the discussion of it here is appropriate.

That said, I think it's very disingenous of the AFA and Called2Action to act as if they are a persecuted minority. If I boycotted every business that did not cater to my religious and political whims, I would be left with slim pickens indeed.

That said, Happy Holidays, Y'all.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

i have 2 pennies to add

I would think that if Called2Action were a truly Christian group, partisan or not, they'd be raising a bigger stink about a host of other issues other than Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.

A loud group of Rs here in Johnston will tell you point blank that "majority rules" means the minority can just put a sock in it. And they hold that attitude especially where religious issues are concerned. Theirs is a spirit of exclusion, rather than inclusion; of separation rather than unity.

They are taught this stuff in their churches. I am not speculating. I know. I lived it. Kids are taught in youth group and bible study and sunday school that they can be friends with gay people and people of other faiths, but they cannot "stand" with them. In other words, you can be friendly to their face, but when they need you, you are not to lift a hand for them. They are not worth your care. That is precisely how you dehumanize "the other" in preparation for persecuting them.

Now, the Merry Christmas kerfuffle may seem like a different issue, but it is not. It is the same. Called2Action is telling people that the only acceptable greeting this season is Merry Christmas. The small minded who jump on their bandwagon will not stop the campaign at the merchant's door. It will worm it's way into their heart until anyone who does not say Merry Christmas is "the other" and not worthy of their care. It's a short leap from "the other" to "not a real American" and not worthy of a citizen's rights and priviledges.

In my mind those are all attitudes worth fighting, and fighting loud and hard. The mountain is tumbled into the sea by seemingly benign drips of water that just keep dripping.

I reckon that turned into a roll of pennies. ;) Oh well.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."