Open Thread: McCain's Mansions

Robert Greenwald has released a new viral video about the many mansions of John McCain. It's disgusting.

However, I've also been doing some thinking (in the aftermath of the Edwards whizzbang) about how wealthy candidates are able to inflate their own bubbles, float safely within them above the machinery of party and populi, and thus avoid so much of what makes financially scrappy politicians more accountable.

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Twittered.

I think this makes for an interesting comparison. I would love to have all the voice-overs of people talking about Edwards mansion, but with pictures of the McCain mansionS.

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Not really

First off, "mansions?" If the photos of the buildings are right, three of the "mansions" appear to be condos in the San Diego area. I'm guessing he probably stays in only one of them when he goes to San Diego. Since they are in Coronado and La Jolla, both very expensive places, I doubt they are even very big.

The Edwards comparison doesn't work. Edwards got flack for perceived hypocricy for being "Mr. Two Americas" yet building an enourmous home. McCain doesn't even remnotely try to portray himself as the simple "son of a millworker" and champion of the downtrodden. I don't want to argue over Edwards' house and whether or not it was hypocritical and perhaps damaging to his image to build it right at the beginning of his campaign. I'm just saying what the argument was.

So what if he has $36 million or $100 million? Is there something inherently wrong with having money?

Yes, there are many hard working non-whiners who have had employment and housing problems. Yes, a lot of people in the lending industry ought to go to jail for what they did. In the end, however, it was a ton of people buying homes they could not afford who put us in this housing mess. For the sake of the economy, we need to take steps to address the foreclosures, but those who caused the mess should not get a pass. I do not like McCain, but I said a little "hell yeah" when in the video he said government intervention should be temporary and not reward the irresponsible at the expense of those of us who made smarter choices. It(not making us pay for others' incredibly bad choices that are destroying the economy) won't work, but I like the concept.

Disagree

McCain tries to paint himself as someone who understands how "hurting Americans are" as he oft says.

But the truth of it, as this video demonstrates, is that McCain really is an out of touch elitist.

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What About Kerry

Was John Kerry not the same? He and Teresa have seven or eight rather extravagant homes, do they not? How can you criticize McCain for having several homes when the guy you supported last time had even more? Kerry too was out talking about how he understood how Americans are hurting.

In reality, criticizing McCain, Kerry, Edwards, or any politicians because of how many homes they have is just plain stupid. None of the people in Washington are Joe Six Pack. Almost all of them have a large amount of wealth and even the least wealthy of them are far wealthier than your average American. Stop fooling yourself.

This is a non-issue.

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I don't think I have ever

I don't think I have ever seen anyone on here making excuses for Kerry.

That's right.

R's want to keep the debate focused on previous elections because they know they have a hot-head loser running this time.

This is about Obama v. McCain.

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Say what?

In reality, criticizing McCain, Kerry, Edwards, or any politicians because of how many homes they have is just plain stupid.

This is a non-issue.

Is that right? Then what the heck was this all about last year?

I think John Edwards should sacrifice his $6 million, 28,200 square foot home considering how much energy he is consuming for a house that size.

So...are you turning over a new leaf now? No more non-issue stupid stuff? Awesome.

Turnabout is fairplay

They smeared Kerry for having a rich wife in 2004. Now it's our turn to play that hand.
Cindy "Wolf Eyes" McCain lucked out by inheriting a massive fortune from her dad. John is lucky to be along for the ride.

You're right, this is a non-issue. A more pressing issue is that McCain will continue the policies of the Current Resident that benefit the wealthy at the expense of the middle-class. We need to get Obama elected along with Democratic majorities in Congress. Once there, we have to hold their feet to the fire.

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Excellent point, Betsy.

Have you noticed that since the female lobbyist on the plane scandal, Cindy McCain won't let John out of her sight? She's on every trip with him. Every single trip, she's right there. Can't say I blame her.

I've been kind of worried about Cindy McCain.

Trying to do all that travel while she is obviously injured. I don't know what happened to her arm, but it's got to suck to have to put on a brave face every day and smile pretty for the cameras. (I mean this is all sincerity. I don't think she is treated all that well by John or his campaign.)

Her arm?

They reported on the CharO site that she had a slight sprain from shaking hands.

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The scandal was all in your mind

Have you noticed that lobbyist so-called scandal shot right to the front page of the NYT without any sourcing at all. Then it disappeared because there was nothing to it.

Cindy McCain is now accompanying her husband to immunize him from stupid accusations like that.

Meanwhile, the John Edwards actual scandal was covered up for months until everyone was laughing at the media for refusing to cover it.

Could be you're right, LB

Or, it could be you're not. The guy has an admitted record of cheating. In my personal experience, cheaters don't change.

But, you know, that's just my opinion.

Well here are a few differences

About 30 years ago, as a private figure, McCain did cheat on his first wife. But then he immediately told her it was over and married the "other woman" and has stayed married to her since. He admitted it and it was all put on the public record at the time. If the "lobbyist on the plane" story is the most substantial story of "infidelity" since then, I'd say he's been pretty faithful. His first wife has apparently had nothing but good things to say about him.

In contrast, Edwards on-again-off-again cheated on his wife with a woman in his employ. He may have fathered a baby by her and it seems she's been paid hush money by one of Edwards friends. Meanwhile he was promoting his strong marriage as part of his campaign. When he got caught lying about it and had to 'fess up, he went on TV and said that the other woman was just some meaningless road skank he picked up and he didn't really care about her.

The infidelity is bad enough, but how you handle it can take it from bad to awful. Character is found, not in never making a mistake, but how you handle it when you do.

Uhuh

Oh great and wonderful McCain cheated on his wife and divorced her like a "good christian". But lets burn Clinton at the stake, because he and his wife stuck by each other.

As for his relationship with Cindy, calling her a C### and offering her to a topless (and often bottomless) "pageant" is quite mature.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Not true

I wouldn't place the blame on the people who received the loans:

In the end, however, it was a ton of people buying homes they could not afford who put us in this housing mess.

Working poor people have always existed.

Many of them are poor because they are fiscally irresponsible, the rest impoverished because of lack of financial education or opportunity.

The American working poor have always wanted to do better for their families. They have often gone to desperate measures to provide for themselves and their children. It has always been thus.

The lending industry has never allowed these people's desire for easy credit and a home to call their own to destroy the American economy...until now.

What changed during the build-up to the mortgage crisis? The behavior of the American working poor or the standards and practices of the lending industry?

Which is within our power to legislate?

I don't know much about this . . .

I rent.

But I do know that mortgage holders sell loans to other mortgage holders. My parents (who btw, when my father was dying with cancer, lost their house to Countrywide)had a few months when they sent their payments in, only to have them returned with a note saying that the loan had been sold to a different company, and that they needed to send their then-late payment to the new company. That's irresponsible business practice. My parents weren't irresponsible. I promise. Those people were assholes.

I rent as well, but a few years ago

I had the occassion to discuss these sorts of high risk loans with a realtor friend who was trying to convince me that she could get me a loan and "help me find my dream."

First, I explained, owning a home was not my dream.

Second, I explained to her, I previously had an adjustable rate mortgage and it bit me in the ass. I learned all about ARMs the very very hard way ... all the stuff noboby tells any first time homeowner.

The problem was not only people who borrowed too much. The problem rests equally on all parties and the blame should be centered much more on those who know the loan industry but were so hot to make more and more money even when it was pouring in hand over fist that they took even more risk:

.... the agents who do way too much to smooth over the concerns of buyers (no pay without a sale) and all too often offer their clients almost no detailed explanation of where their monthly payment will go when their rates go up (anyone who has ever had an ARM knows they ar like gas prices; go up easy, come down once in a blue moon)

.... the lenders who write loans without traditional income verifications, knowing they will turn around and sell the loans and carry no risk

.... the mortgage industry as a whole that has just gotten so rotten from within that nearly anyone associated with it (I have several friends who are or were deeply associated with it) is left with a bitter taste and no faith that there are any ETHICS in banking at all.

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