The ripples from this are still spreading across the political pond:
— NC Policy Watch (@NCPolicyWatch) February 26, 2019
Some very important points to consider:
If courts do not possess the power to take such action, then what’s to stop a legislature from completely rewriting the constitution – even, perhaps, to the point of changing provisions that make it unconstitutional? By the logic employed by the legislative defendants, there was no limit at all as to how far the General Assembly could have gone. Surely that can’t be a legitimate outcome. What if the legislative majority had taken office via, say, blatant vote theft or bribery? Could such a body also rewrite the constitution?
Berger’s argument that Collins’ ruling invites “chaos” by calling into question all other acts of the illegally elected General Assembly is equally unpersuasive. First of all, no one is making such an argument; that claim wasn’t part of this case. Secondly, Collins’ ruling was a very limited, careful and practical one of the kind that courts clearly retain the right to fashion.
Just as, for instance, the courts that found legislative maps to be unconstitutional were within their authority to allow elections to proceed given the impossibility of implementing new maps in time for the 2018 election, so must judges retain the power to make practical distinctions between day-to-day legislative acts like passing an appropriation and permanently altering the state constitution.
There's another issue that needs to be cleared up, because it's making Evil Steve want to say bad words at people: This ruling does not set a "bad precedent," or really any precedent at all. For all practical purposes, precedent is set by higher courts, like Courts of Appeal or Supreme Courts. A lawyer who refers to a Superior Court ruling that has not been challenged and fired on the crucible of a higher court, is a lawyer about to lose whatever case he (or she) is arguing.
We also need to avoid splitting hairs like this:
If the #ncga was elected using illegal criteria then it follows that their legislation isn't constitutional
Just because justice might be chaotic or disruptive doesn't mean the voters don't deserve it
Not doing something because it's difficult is never a good excuse#ncpol https://t.co/dBwmxemxGH
— Sean (@RavenRavinoff) February 25, 2019
I don't agree with Jeff's assessment of this ruling, but I also don't agree we should push to have all legislation overturned that was passed since 2012. This decision hinges on a handful of overriding votes, and the fact that Amendments require 2/3 votes. I *can* see all legislation that was Vetoed and subsequently overridden being questioned, but not everything else.
Dan Forest talks with Vietnam War veterans on this episode of "Table Talk", a new digital program produced by the Dan Forest Exploratory Committee for Governor, to highlight the conversations of real North Carolinians. https://t.co/irgp7H9cNM #ncpol
— Dan Forest (@DanForestNC) February 25, 2019
Now you're just pissing me off. If you really cared about veterans, you'd be helping the 23,000 with no health insurance get covered under Medicaid expansion.
— The Chad Adams Show (@Chad_Adams) February 25, 2019
Chad Adams still has a show? WTF am I talking about, Pat McCrory's got a show, apparently you really don't need a brain to get one.
There is a real chance we could end gerrymandering here in North Carolina this year with bipartisan support. That is if Phil Berger and Tim Moore will even allow the NCGA to vote on it. #ncpol #ncga #fairvotes #fairmaps #gerrymanderinghttps://t.co/W3dgAG9Uop
— Progress NC Action (@ProgressNow_NC) February 25, 2019
You know, in a reasonably sane world (much less perfect), the Republican co-sponsors of that bill would raise hell if it was buried in committee. But we don't live there.
— Cat Williams (@dizzycatdesign) February 25, 2019
She's not wrong...
#NC09 document update: Last Wednesday, the second day of Andy Yates' testimony, the NC Secretary of State's office received three missing annual reports and an application for reinstatement from @RedDomeGroup. @wsoctv #ncpol pic.twitter.com/Vj8lge0OsU
— Michael Stolp (@StolpWSOC9) February 25, 2019
This just keeps getting crazier and crazier...
Echoing Nancy Pelosi almost verbatim, Rino #NC Sen. @ThomTillis says he'll vote against America's national emergency, endangering our country and abandoning the NC voters that gave him his seat. #ncpol #NCnews #NCga #NCsen pic.twitter.com/QlO3eRbvVC
— NC Zero (@NC_Zero) February 26, 2019
I'm kind of enjoying seeing right-wing nutters attacking "Rinos," but that little Thomasina Tillis just might give me nightmares...
Based on public docs posted by WRAL and curated & analyzed by Carolina Journal, there is no reasonable doubt about what Gov. Roy Cooper did: demand funds & other concessions from Duke Energy in exchange for permitting the Atlantic Coast Pipeline. #ncpol https://t.co/xhodlM82UE
— John Hood (@JohnHoodNC) February 26, 2019
And there is (absolutely) nothing wrong with that. Pipelines like this cause significant environmental damage, not to mention abusing private property owners. Forcing them to mitigate such damage by injecting funding into those affected areas is sound public policy. Had McCrory still been Governor, he probably would have paid Duke Energy incentives to tear everything up. Get over it, there is no "smoking gun" of corruption here, just a Governor trying to actually do the job properly.
The Dems wore white? I guess they are putting their past behind them.
The suffragettes supported abolition of slavery and the vote for women. Thus, they were mostly Republican. https://t.co/31ESSLDduH #ncpol #ncga https://t.co/NGHZLa80og
— Emily (@precociousemily) February 26, 2019
Ah, the same disingenuous argument we've heard a thousand times before. The Republican Party of today would defend the rights of those "property" owners, and give women just 2-3 places (or 1) in the entire state to cast their votes, just like they do with abortions. But thanks for playing, I always hope these flawed comparisons will remind Republicans of what they should be doing.
A good reform that can reduce the need for third-party assistance in voting by mail AND increase timely return rates — something that #ncga should consider in absentee reform legislation. #ncpol https://t.co/1oHQFKt5Ni
— Gerry Cohen (@gercohen) February 26, 2019
To be honest, we should just go ahead and institute "vote by mail" across the board. Washington state has been doing this for a few years now, and the people seem to love it.
On that hopeful note, here's your Onion:
— The Onion (@TheOnion) February 24, 2019
I feel compelled to give a short lecture about how using discretion online can actually make you smarter. But it would probably be pointless, so...