What did Shuler get at Civitas?

Smacked around by Grover Norquist.

North Carolina Republicans Roundtable.

As Grover said about Heath's so-called conservatism, "He voted for the budget which raises taxes, but... he's a Blue Dog, he goes to church occasionally, he likes his mother, and he doesn't like naughty language. So that should make up for it."

Was it worth it, Congressman Shuler?

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Great question.

My bet is "no." My bet is that Civitas uses Heath to fend off challenges to their tax exempt status in the next 90 days.

Art meet Heath! And Heath bend over please!

It's political correct Art Pope crap like this that mades independent folks correct when they say there is not ounce worth a difference in neo-con politics.

Fool once! But not again Heath!

Shuler/McHenry Legislation

Is this what it was about?

"Rep. Heath Shuler introduced a bill Tuesday with a surprise cosponsor, Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry from Cherryville, who was recently spotted in Hendersonville recruiting challengers to Shuler’s seat.

The legislation would make it difficult for the Lumbee Tribe of Eastern North Carolina to get recognition and federal benefits as a tribe. It would require the Lumbee Indian Tribe to go through a seven-step federal procedure that has been required of all tribes to get federal benefits as a recognized tribe. They’ve been denied those benefits for more than 50 years. " - LINK

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Hmmm.

There is nothing statutory that requires a Tribe go through the administrative process (that's the seven step procedure) to be recognized. In fact, most Tribes that are federally recognized today were recognized by Treaty or by Statute. The area in Robeson County was not settled by non-Indian people until around 1830 or so, so there is not much of a written record that goes back far enough to satisfy the "administrative application". This bill of Shuler's and McHenry's is a blatant attempt to deny a Tribe of over 53,000 people the same rights and benefits that many of their constituents have.

Here's the thing that Shuler and McHenry won't tell you: the Lumbee Act of 1956 recognized the Lumbee as a tribe but made it illegal for them to apply for benefits. Fortunately, there are currently two bills: HR 65, sponsored by Mcintyre, and S 333 sponsored by Dole, working their way through Congressional Committees, that will remedy that situation, and will amend the language of that act, and will grant immediate recognition to this tribe.

Is it about Casinos? It's not all about Casinos, no. The Lumbee already have a Tribal government and constitution which requires that anything resembling gambling would have to be put a vote to all tribal members. I don't know how that would go; many of the Lumbee that I know are strictly religious people who won't play the lottery. Besides, the Lumbee have been pursuing Federal Recognition for over 100 years - way before there was a Casino in the mountains. They don't have a reservation, and they won't receive mineral rights or anything like that. They don't have much of anything other than history and pride. They will have the right to self govern, they will receive access to education, and that seems to be one of the most important things to them. Read the FAQ they publish here.

This Friday, HR 65 was approved by the House Committee on Natural Resources, and will move to the Full House. Hopefully this time it will pass.

Shuler has lost any credibility he ever had with me, and any monetary support I would have given, meager though it might have been will go to a candidate who better understands issues and knows what it means to treat all human beings equally under the law.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

Wonder what Dole will think of that

Wasn't she leading the charge at one point to get the Lumbee's this recognition?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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She has a bill before the Senate right now.

S 333, that would provide recognition to the Lumbees. It's one thing Liddy got right.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

One of my friends is a Lumbee

and has been hoping for this recognition. I have mixed feelings about the whole thing, especially if they bring in a Casino.

My son lives in Florida on the Seminole Res at Big Cypress. He sees the results of their casino money every day. Each tribe member gets $2,000 per month, family of 4 = $8,000 every month, they don't have to work, they don't have to go to school, they get that $$$ every month. There is a large problem with drugs and alcoholism within the tribe and the leaders do nothing to address this problem. Double edged sword!

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Wow!

Even tho' I am pasty white (not a pretty sight), do you think I could convince people that I am a Native American? After all, my father was born in Robeson County. Doesn't that count for something? I have several Lumbee friends too, and they work very hard.

Lovex7

I think that if you ever flashed that beautiful smile

and fluttered those Big Brown (or are they blue?) eyes, most people would be hard pressed to deny you anything!

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You are sooooo crazy!

Actually they are neither. They are hazel. BTW, my beautiful eight year old granddaughter had all of her long beautiful hair cut and donated it.

Lovex7

No way Lovey

just truthful! Congratulate your Granddaughter, that was a wonderful thing she did!

If anyone else has at least 12 inches of hair they could donate, Locks of Love puts it to good use!

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I wrote an article about the Lumbee situation..

right here on BlueNC. Please go to my blog page and read it. Some Lumbees contacted me after they read it.

As a US Congressman, I will introduce the legislation to assist the Lumbees.
They have long ago met the requirements of the Federal Government.

This is ridiculas the way our representatives has used this issue.

The lumbee have have done what the Federal Governement required. It is time for the Federal Government to do their part.

I see a racist element in here that simply irks me. I do sincerely hope I am wrong.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

I hope that you won't have to introduce legislation to help

because I hope that at least one of the two bills before congress will pass during this session.

Thank you for your support of these important people.By the way, the Spring Pow-Wow is May 4-6, and it's a great time. Anyone who is close enough should come down and visit; our neighbors would enjoy showing you their Tribal heritage.

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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Dole didnt

do anything to get this passed while she was in the majority. You think now that she is looking at a reelection fight she is actually going to do something useful?

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"

Ye Gods I hate I have to do this.

Don't make me defend Liddy over a Dem. But here it is:

From Wednesday's Winston Salem Journal:

Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C., has promoted the issue of Lumbee recognition since she was first elected in 2002. Last year, a Senate committee passed her bill, but it never made it to the full Senate for consideration. The last time a Lumbee recognition bill was on the House floor was 1993, when it passed 228-184.

Shuler (or his staff) didn't do the proper research on what it takes to be recognized. As I stated in an earlier post, many tribes have been recognized by an Act of Congress, or a Treaty. In 1993, at the time the bill passed the house floor, a massive "application" was presented. The Lumbee have more than met the standard for Recognition. I can only assume that Shuler is being misled by some group that doesn't want them to gain the Recognition they deserve.

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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Dole

Thanks for the recap of Dole's ineffective role in the Senate since 2002. When you're a US Senator and you can't get action on a bill that's mostly about your home state while you're in the freakin' majority . . . well that's almost worse than not having done anything at all. Liddy had four years to work this issue, and what does she have to show for it?

Looks like zip to me.

Excellent point, A.

I feel better about pointing out a good thing she tried to do. She didn't try hard enough! There! Hah! Thanks!
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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

yup

This was a campaign promise she quietly made down east. She filed 2-3 bills (including this one) and then didnt do a damn thing to move those bills forward. She certainly was unwilling to expend any political capital on the issue.

Now that she has no political capital I dont think this is anything more than a stunt.

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"

Well, it's more than the Lumbee have gotten in a long time

I'd write her a letter about it, but I wouldn't get an answer from her until August.
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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

you should

Send a "Do Not Forward" letter to her house in salisbury every week.

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"

Nah

I don't want to bother her mom. She's got to be really old.
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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

too far

She might be responsible for Liddy, but I havent ever heard anything bad about Dole's mother. Respect for others and all that jazz....

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"

Does anyone know if Biddy found NC

and the Republican Civitas convention?

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Went on Liddy's website

to listen to all of her latest speeches on the floor, and the last one they had was January, 2006. Hmmmmm.

Lovex7

Poor Sponge Bob

According to NC Republican Roundtable, linked by Public Policy Polling.

My sources tell me that State Senator Fred Smith pulled in a whopping 62% of the vote in a straw poll of Republican gubernatorial hopefuls conducted at this weekend's Conservative Leadership Conference. Former Supreme Court Justice Bob Orr was second with approximately 24%, while Bill Graham received 8%.

Thats hilarious. Bob cant even win amongst friends

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"

curiously...

...despite treading water for the cherokee tribe, shuler's getting no donations from it that i could identify.

here's his '06 top contributors, and here are the cherokee donations for the '06 cycle.

for those wondering, the freedom project is john boehner's pac, and john sullivan is a house member from oklahoma.

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Very interesting

PPP looks at the polling group that does civitas' polls

All I have to say is, look at the client list. Also, I wouldnt trust these guys (tel opinion) to poll 100 people who were standing in front of them, let alone an entire state.

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"