Who's going? Part II

I read today about a conference being sponsored by the Art Pope Puppetshow. The story was posted over at Ed's Place. Check it out. The conference itself promises to be a frenzy of insider information for those interested in being part of the inner sanctum. You can find the details here.

I hope some of you will be able to attend. I personally happen to be allergic to Puppets, though, and won't be participating on doctor's orders.

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Ed's Badge should be Pope Yellow, Targater said it best!

How in the hell can Ed fiqure he is a hero for showing up to a Pope puppet show without the leaders of Blue NC being on the panel.....Ed is or has become a tool of the right-wing neo-con establishment media in this state....He should be ashame for being a phony neo-con lib promoter in this state. He will learn just like Heath did when he stuck his nose under the Pope neo-con tent....

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So two people on the left of the political spectrum to used as a tool to decry how crazy the rest of the blogosphere is.

Of course, this is a badge of honor for you, right. The fact that you are so much less threatening of a figure than those of us at the more politically and progressive focused site BlueNC. Honestly, a conference that pretends to be about blogging in this state that leaves out BlueNC is clearly lying about their intention.

Posted by: TarGator

Hang on a minute. Look at the roster. For the most part, blogging journalists and some academics. One conservative blogger, paired with me. One GOP political operative, paired with Zephyr.

No need to turn this into a pissing match. Badge of honor my ass.

If you are too allergic to JLF to attend, we'll miss you. Would I have included someone from Blue NC if it was my party? Sure, it's a really powerful and useful site.

But I don't see how you can complain about the snub after relentlessly personalizing your political differences with John Hood and the JLF. That's the path you chose, complaining about its logical outcome seems a little off-key.

Posted by: Ed Cone | Aug 21, 2007 at 04:57 PM

My nemesis? Are you kidding? The Art Pope Puppetshow is a godsend as far as I'm concerned. Anytime I hit a slow news day, all I need to do is click on the Carolina Journal and I have enough absurd fodder for a week's worth of full-throttle blogging.

As to sour grapes, that seems like a bit of projection on your part, Ed. I think the conference is a fine opportunity for those who don't mind being associated with an organization like the John Locke Foundation. More to the point, a workshop on "How To Manipulate The Media and Public Policy On Only $300,000 A Month" really doesn't have much appeal to a grassroots guy like me. Nor does a Pope-paid-for conference filled with insiders talking to other insiders about lots of insider stuff.

I can't wait to see all press coverage, though. I'm sure we'll all be knee deep in it!

Cheers!

James

PS Is Don Beason going to be there? From all I know, he'd fit right in.

Posted by: James |

Funny stuff

I get along with Ed okay, but tolerance for the Puppetshow is where I draw the line. I understand Ed to be a "why can't we all be friends" kind of guy. That's a little hard for me to take when the "friends" are hell-bent on replacing democracy with corporate oligarchy.

Sleeping with the neo-con Enemy?

but tolerance for the Puppetshow is where I draw the line. I understand Ed to be a "why can't we all be friends" kind of guy. That's a little hard for me to take when the "friends" are hell-bent on replacing democracy with corporate oligarchy.* James

Agree! Ed is the type of useful idiot that Lelin lecture about. John Hood with his private police-state fascist neo-con mind-set wouldn't even think for one second to lock up Ed in a Homeland security dentention camp, if Ed said he was for free elections and against Halliburton as the supervisor of elections......You don't sleep with the enemy unless you want to be screw....

I guess I would see myself

I guess I would see myself less as a "why can't we all be friends" kind of guy than a guy who has strong convictions, is willing to speak about them with people who may not share them, and to work on given projects or issues with people from different points of view who want to get a job done.

In this case, the panel is ideologically diverse, and the event is co-sponsored by the IOPL. I see my role less as a partisan than as a reporter, much in the way I approached my recent article about campaign tech, for which I spoke with Republicans and Democrats to present a broad story to a diverse audience.

I understand TarGator's frustration, as expressed in the pasted comment above -- if this was my show, I would have included Blue NC as a major player in NC web/media/politics. But at the same time, you have chosen to sharply personalize your political differences with John Hood and Art Pope. It's a successful formula, but it does make TG's protest seem a bit disingenuous.

Thnx

Thanks for running a page worth visiting.

There are no establishment types at this meeting? I swear! Ed

Thanks for running a page worth visiting.*Ed

You forgot the Faculty which is loaded with ever known neo-con estabishment fascist corporate suck ups in the history of North Carolina. Forget Bubba, Take Sam as your backup Republican buddy who really believes this faculty is fair and balance to North Carolina citizens.

The Faculty

The key evaluation of the program's impact is follow-up of the Fellows' activities: What do they do with the program and their expertise developed in it? Nine Fellows now serve in the North Carolina General Assembly. More than 70 other Fellows hold local elected office ... county commissioner, mayor, city council member, district court judge...and many more are elected officials of their local political parties.

Dr. Robert H. (Robin) Dorff assumed duties as the new Executive Director of IOPL on July 1, 2004. Prior to that he was Chairman of the Department of National Security and Strategy at the U.S. Army War College, where he previously served as Professor of National Security Policy and Strategy and holder of the General Maxwell D. Taylor Chair. From 1980 until 1997 he was a member of the Department of Political Science and Public Administration at North Carolina State University, teaching undergraduate and graduate courses on U.S. Campaigns and Elections, Public Opinion and the Media, American Government, and U.S. National Security and Defense Policy. During that time he was recognized as one of the state’s leading political analysts, providing insight and analysis for state and national television, radio, and newspaper coverage of campaigns, elections, public policy, and national security affairs.

When at the Army War College, Dr. Dorff was extensively involved in strategic leadership development and is recognized today as a leading expert on strategy, strategy formulation, and strategic thinking. He lectures frequently on these topics for corporate as well as national security audiences, and has spoken all over the U.S. and in Canada, Europe, Africa, and Asia on a variety of topics. The author or co-author of three books and numerous journal articles, Professor Dorff holds a B.A. in Political Science from Colorado College and an M.A. and Ph.D. in Political Science from the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

Among the guest lecturers in the Fellows program are:

Beth Becka, Communications Studies, UNCW

Jim Bennett, Finance Director, 1996 Jim Hunt Campaign

Jack Betts, Senior Editor, Charlotte Observer

David S. Broder, National Political Correspondent for the Washington Post

Susan Bulluck, President, Independent Opinion Research and Communications

Tom Covington, Consultant

John Davis, Executive Director, NCFREE

Mike Easley, N.C. Governor

Rufus Edmisten, Former N.C. Attorney General and Secretary of State

Bill Ewing, Development Director, Public Campaign

Chris Fitzsimon, Executive Director, NC Policy Watch

Ferrel Guillory, Director of Southern Politics, UNC-CH School of Journalism

Sal Guzzetta, Ralph Murphine, and Brian Tringali, national and international campaign consultants

Dan Hester, Kim Kopka Ratcliff, Jon Evans, Television News Anchors

John Hood, Executive Director, John Locke Foundation

J.J. Jefferay, WSJS Radio Talk Show Host

Lloyd Jones, Survey Research Center, UNCW

Phil Kirk, President, N.C. Citizens for Business and Industry

Ralph Mitchell, President, The Mitchell Group

Phil Noble, International Consultant on Politics on the Internet

Harry Payne, Chairman, N.C. Employment Security Commission

J. Clark Plexico, Public Affairs Consultant

Art Pope, Former N.C. Representative

Neal Rhoades, Republican Political Consultant

Rob Schofield, N.C. Justice and Community Development Center

Mark Schreiner, Raleigh Office, Wilmington Star-News

Kim Westbrook Strach, Deputy Director-Campaign Reporting, N.C. State Board of Elections

Graduate Fellow speakers have included:

Secretary of State Elaine Marshall

N.C. Supreme Court Justice Mark Martin

N.C. Court of Appeals Judge Barbara Jackson

State Representatives Alice Bordsen, Bill Daughtridge, Jerry Dockham, Wayne Goodwin, Robert Hensley, Earline Parmon and Connie Wilson

Judges Monica Bousman, Craig Croom, Ron Spivey, and Ed Wilson

County Commissioners Peter Brunstetter, Fred McClure, and Nancy Pritchett

Consultant Chip Scholz

City Council Members Marla Dorrel, John Tabor, Donald Vaughan and Barbara Volk

School Board Member John Lassiter

Francine DeCoursey, Co-President of On Location

Ed has more excuses than a Blues Brother movie?

But at the same time, you have chosen to sharply personalize your political differences with John Hood and Art Pope. It's a successful formula, but it does make TG's protest seem a bit disingenuous.* Ed

Well! If it is such a successful formula than why are you trying to poison TarGator with Pope joy juice.

You should be whip and tar as a example like Rodney King about getting along with a fascist bunch of Pope cops. Why don't you take Bubba along to prove what a nice guy you are among Bushbots neo-cons.?

Sponsorship

Three points:

1. Ed C is a grown up, and doesn't need my defense. Still, his presence at this forum will make it better for everyone who goes. Ditto Zephyr T, who is a really interesting person. I plan to attend the forum, and to enjoy it. If the group of participants was not so diverse and interesting, I would not go. I suppose that makes my boy Ed complicit, in making the event useful and intellectually stimulating. Whether that is a bad thing is for each to decide, and it appears many of you have already decided. Fair enough.

2. Is it necessary to separate the event from the sponsor of the event? Is it even possible?

3. I take a lot of heat at Duke for sponsoring or co-sponsoring controversial events. (As chair of Poli Sci, I have a small amount of funds to sponsor talks on campus. And when I do, the phrase "co-sponsored by Duke Political Science" usually appears in the program.) When the Palestinian Solidarity Movement conference was held at Duke, some years ago, I agreed to co-sponsor. I also agreed, in the same week, to co-sponsor a talk by Daniel Pipes. I took a remarkable amount of heat for each of those events, but no one objected to both. Both events were well-attended. I don't know that the audiences had any overlap, but....

This event is different. There might be a conversation about politics, and some agreement. *OR*, there might be political neutrality, and an actual discussion of the merits of the internet as a political medium, and its impact on democracy. That's a really important topic. Zephyr Teachout was one of the pioneers of the use of the internet in politics, and I'd go a long way to hear her talk about it.

So....if this EXACT event were sponsored by some other organization, would it be okay that Ed and Zephyr are participating? Is the SPONSOR what is bothering you?

Or is it the exclusion of BNC from a seat at the table?

These two interact, of course, since it appears the BNC principals would have turned down (for all I know, DID turn down) an invite had John Hood called and asked.

For my part, and to close an overlong post: I really value this forum here at BNC. The way I am treated here is remarkably open, friendly when we agree, and substantively critical when we don't. I learn a lot, and keep up with state politics more easily, and with more entertainment value, than any other place I can imagine.

But I'll be with Ed on September 8th.

Mike

"It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francois D'Ivernois, 1795.

Michael C. Munger

Off Topic

Hi Michael,
I was in Pennsylvania recently and somehow in dicussing who blogged at BlueNC the conversation came around to your hair and Locks of Love. I couldn't remember what charity/nonprofit you were doing the hair thing for, but everyone at the picnic immediately piped up "Locks of Love". It seems that out in the boonies where I grew up, this is a very popular thing for women to do. Actually, not women - girls. Young teenage girls are growing their hair out long and then having it all chopped off for charity? Can you imagine such a selfless thing for young girls caught in the media infatuation on looks?

Anyways, it made me wonder why there was less attention about this here. So, I would be really happy to slap something on to the front page if you wanted to write a post about this. I think it is a great thing to do, for anyone.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

It's not just young girls.

My son and several of his friends are doing the same thing. It is way "in" right now.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Locks of Love

That's me, all right: Mr. "In"

Robert P, I will write up something and email it. It would be manipulative, though, to link this to any of my political aspirations (such as they are!). So I'll just note that I am doing this as a Duke prof., which is dicey enough already.

It really is a good cause, and I'll be REALLY glad to get a haircut. I went to get it "harvested" a month ago, but was told that it was still about 2 inches + too short. They need to make it into = 10 inches PAST THE RUBBER BAND. So, I still look like I ate Roger Daltrey and grew his hairdo. All I need is clown shoes and a big nose, and the entire Bozo look would be complete.

And, lcloud, you are so right. I have talked to so many girls/young women who have donated twice or more. That's a lot of hair.

A shame that so many people are so sick that they actually need this.

"It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francois D'Ivernois, 1795.

Michael C. Munger

It's 100% about the sponsor for me

Thanks for weighing in Mike.

I supported John Edwards in his refusal to participate in a presidential debate sponsored by Fox News - based on my view that Fox News is an ethically challenged organization and a blight on society. I find the John Locke Foundation to be similarly corrupting in its influence on public policy and journalism.

For example, JLF's anti-science positions on climate change are straight out of the Flat Earth Society. Their shameless manipulation of economic data around taxation is, to my mind, completely without integrity. And their benefactor, Mr. Art Pope, engages in electioneering communications that should have been judged illegal if our Board of Elections had an ounce of sense. To my knowledge.

As I said above, I wouldn't expect BlueNC to be invited to any JLF event, though I have repeatedly asked people from their organization to participate here at BlueNC. The fact that several of their staffers contact me regularly through email suggests they are interested in discussion, but may be prohibited from participating in a public forum where they can't dominate the discussion.

I'm sorry you're giving legitimacy to the JLF "multi-million dollar opinion manufacturing machine," but I understand your rationale.

Thanks for the kind (I think) words.

I love Ed! And Ed loves me with Art and John and Barney?

Three points:

1. Ed C is a grown up,

and doesn't need my defense.

Still, his presence at this forum will make it better for everyone who goes. Ditto Zephyr T, who is a really interesting person. I plan to attend the forum, and to enjoy it. If the group of participants was not so diverse and interesting, I would not go.

I suppose that makes my boy Ed complicit, in making the event useful and intellectually stimulating. Whether that is a bad thing is for each to decide, and it appears many of you have already decided. Fair enough.

2. Is it necessary to separate the event from the sponsor of the event? Is it even possible?

3. I take a lot of heat at Duke for sponsoring or co-sponsoring controversial events. (As chair of Poli Sci, I have a small amount of funds to sponsor talks on campus. And when I do, the phrase "co-sponsored by Duke Political Science" usually appears in the program.) When the Palestinian Solidarity Movement conference was held at Duke, some years ago, I agreed to co-sponsor. I also agreed, in the same week, to co-sponsor a talk by Daniel Pipes. I took a remarkable amount of heat for each of those events, but no one objected to both. Both events were well-attended. I don't know that the audiences had any overlap, but....

This event is different. There might be a conversation about politics, and some agreement. *OR*, there might be political neutrality, and an actual discussion of the merits of the internet as a political medium, and its impact on democracy. That's a really important topic. Zephyr Teachout was one of the pioneers of the use of the internet in politics, and I'd go a long way to hear her talk about it.

So....if this EXACT event were sponsored by some other organization, would it be okay that Ed and Zephyr are participating? Is the SPONSOR what is bothering you?

Or is it the exclusion of BNC from a seat at the table?

These two interact, of course, since it appears the BNC principals would have turned down (for all I know, DID turn down) an invite had John Hood called and asked.

For my part, and to close an overlong post: I really value this forum here at BNC. The way I am treated here is remarkably open, friendly when we agree, and substantively critical when we don't. I learn a lot, and keep up with state politics more easily, and with more entertainment value, than any other place I can imagine.

But I'll be with Ed on September 8th.

Mike

Mike! Dress code requirments?

But I'll be with Ed on September 8th.*Mike

One other question! The dress code for the Pope event? Will you be wearing the old Superman suit and will Ed will be in the standard Fox News Mickey Mouse uniform? This is a serious event and surely the mainstream Pope media would love to have pics for their event!

Mike, if you were a gambling man,

and knowing everything you already know about the JLF, which one of these would you bet on?

This event is different. There might be a conversation about politics, and some agreement. *OR*, there might be political neutrality, and an actual discussion of the merits of the internet as a political medium, and its impact on democracy

Some of the speakers and topics do look interesting. But don't believe for one minute there is no agenda or possible political benefit on the part of the sponsors. If nothing else, consider how journalist-heavy the attendence will be, and how participation in something like this can color future perceptions.