Dear Phil Berger:

"Do we really believe government spending creates prosperity?" Senate Minority Leader Phil Berger asked.

After coming up on the short end of the NC Senate budget negotiations, this quote of yours is flying around the interTubes like news of a Britney Spears wax job. I read it a dozen times this morning, and I feel compelled respond from the heart.

From where I sit in the peanut gallery, you and the likes of Dallas Woodhouse at NC AFP are WAY too trigger-happy in the prosperity department. You think having a picture of Ronnie Raygun on a website stands for something worthwhile. You think prosperity itself trumps every other possible motivation human beings can have, and so you push the greed agenda like there's no tomorrow. And in doing so, you actually increase the odds that there may in fact be no tomorrow in which you and yours can enjoy all that prosperity you're working for.

I'm not saying prosperity is bad. Of course not. I've worked my ass off for 30 years in pursuit of the good life, and I've been luckier than I deserve. But I know plenty of others who have worked just as much and are still stuck between a rock and a hard place. They live from hand to mouth, and the slightest wobble throws them under the bus. They get the flu and miss a few days of work and BOOM, they're screwed with high-interest debt and crappy credit ratings. They get a flat tire or a blown head gasket and BOOM, they're screwed again. They'd trade in their cars for decent mass transit in a heartbeat. They don't have the money to send their kids to college, and so the cycle continues.

A tax break for the richest 60,000 North Carolinians doesn't do squat for them. Dick Burr's so-called health care plan is a laughing-out-loud joke that does nothing but enrich insurance companies. The entire NCGOP agenda is designed to make government the enemy and divide We the People one from the other.

Mr. Phil, your trickle-down thinking about prosperity is a bull-shit philosophy that serves only to help the rich get richer and the poor get screwed. It is built on the presumption of a permanent and impoverished underclass that will clean your toilets and shine your shoes and take your crappy jobs without complaint.

The gap between the haves and the have-nots has widened dramatically during the Republican reign of error, and North Carolina is no exception. Real people with real lives understand that your prosperity happy-talk is nothing but a scam, and they are getting pissed. So pissed in fact, that you and your fellow greeders should be more than a little scared. Because when regular people finally get angry enough and mobilized enough to return to polls, the Republican party itself will be the thing that gets drowned in Grover Nordquist's filthy bathtub.

It's not too late. You still have time to temper your greed rhetoric with some compassion and commitment to the common good. You still have time to reconsider the delusions of your free-market bulloney and recognize that reality is far different than the life of prosperity you personally live.

Prosperity is not the only thing that matters in life, Mr. Berger. For some, the simple idea of having health insurance would be enough.

You're welcome to come by anytime to make your case. To show us some facts that support your anti-government crusade. To prove that your rising-tide-tide-raises-all-boats theory has any relevance in a world where some of the boats have big, gaping holes in their hulls.

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UPDATE: You can reach Bushbot Berger at philbe@ncleg.net

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Blue South's picture

shorter version

"Do we really believe government spending creates prosperity?"

Yes. Almost all empirical evidence points to yes, in fact, it does.

"Keep the Faith"

Hi Blue!

How are you holding up?

Blue South's picture

hey hey

I am doing great. I love this job, and I am doing what might end up being the most important thing I will do in my life, in terms of impact, scale and reason. Things are exhausting right now, because we are not yet through a very busy week, but after Sunday things should be back to normal 70 hour weeks with a lot less time on the phones, so I should have a chance to relax.

"Keep the Faith"

Blue South

Do you have any time to provide any of the evidence you reference?

Needless to say I'm skeptical.

I invite you to search econtalk.org for "great depression," and view (or listen to some great podcasts if you have an hour to spare) the opinions of some experts that lived during the time of the depression. It is the opinion of almost all of such experts that WWII and not the New Deal was the cause of America's economic revival.

If there are other instances in American history where large increases in government spending show causation and not correlation with GDP increases I would be interested in learning about those policy changes.

Which is to say that government spending

. . . in this case, spending on global warfare . . . was the precise cause of America's economic revival. You, your very self, have just provided all the evidence you need to make BlueSouth's point.

My point, however, is slightly different. My point is that GDP increases, per se, are not an appropriate measure of the overall quality of life, nor are they a measure of the common good. GDP increases succumb to the pesky flaw of averages. Such broad brushes should have little place in public policy.

Blue South's picture

how do we measure society?

GDP is but one aspect of how we can measure a society. Republicans believe that we should measure our society by how the best do. Centrists such as Richardson believe that some mythical "average american" exists that we can measure our society by. I believe that our society should be measured by our poorest and worst off. The GDP is little consolation to those who live below the poverty line.

"Keep the Faith"

Blue South's picture

GDP vs prosperity

GDP increase does not mean prosperity. For instance, having roads and the TVA (as examples) in much of the south were big helps in ensuring prosperous lives. Did they have an exact correlation with GDP? I have no idea, and frankly its tangential.

Prosperity is measured by society as a whole being lifted up and given a better life. Sometimes this correlates to an increase in the GDP. However, this is not always true. For instance, right now we are seeing GDP growth, while we are also seeing an increase in the amount of poor, a decrease in economic mobility and an increase in the gap between the income of the richest and the income of the poorest.

"Keep the Faith"

Oliver Queen's picture

GDP is part of the whole

that includes infrastructure, democratazation, and the income gap. But when GDP stagnates, it doesn't imply a redistributon of wealth by any means.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I love it when you talk sense.

Thank god you've decided to use your powers for good, Cubby.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Ok so if we are speaking about prosperity...

what about the standard of living of Americans? I have always believed that the most accurate means by which to measure this is through the goods that Americans consider to be a standard part of life, and then seeing the percentages of people that have such things.

I would like to post some charts, but I'm having difficulty with the formatting. The data may be found here: http://www.techcentralstation.com/071504B.html

If you are so inclined I invite you to check out the information and let me know what you think. It shows the small percentage of households without goods I believe most individuals consider "necessities."

Keep your charts

As long as one American is without health care; as long as one American is homeless, as long as one American is hungry - it's not enough, we're not doing enough.

Don't measure by how high the top is, and don't measure by how much the middle may or may not have grown. Measure by how low the bottom is.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

I agree. FDR said...

The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little

.

and I believe that.

SE NC Dems

I think this adequately defines

the difference between "us" and "them". The Phil Bergers, the George Bushes, the Karl Roves of the world will never see the world as we see it. You can talk about framing, you can talk about perspective. Personally, I think there's something wrong in the character of anyone who thinks it's okay for children to go to bed hungry, or for any of their neighbors to be without what they need to survive.

But that's just my opinion.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Blue South's picture

goods?

measuring it by things like who has a TV is a horrible idea. There are almost 40 million people in this country without health care. The same amount live below the poverty line. Many millions more spend only a small portion of the year on health care.

If you are happy about 13 million children waking up hungry every single day because you have a chart that says most people have a microwave then go to it. But some of us believe we have a responsibility to make their lives better.

"Keep the Faith"

I had a microwave, a tv and a computer

long before I had health insurance. I had a car, too. Microwaves, tvs, even computers, are one time expenses that, if planned for carefully, don't have to be that expensive, especially if you buy second hand. You can't buy second hand health care. And you can't always plan for when you're going to need it.

This isn't about who has the most stuff. Seems like a no brainer. Freakin' Duh.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

might i suggest...

...you consider the effect of the gi bill...or rural electrification...or the construction of hydroelectric and levee projects...or the interstate highway system as examples of spending that create economic results.

for that matter, consider the less obvious services that make growth possible: food inspection, the cdc, the epa, the faa and its certification and air traffic control services, the coast guard, customs and immigration, and on and on.

imagine the us economy without any of these things-and tell me if the prosperity of the 20th century would have existed without them. or if we would be more "prosperous" today-and going forward-with a "screw you" form of government.

in these cases, i might suggest that direct "causation" evidence will be hard to find...but the effect is there nonetheless.

and lastly: consider this a consumer issue.
as a consumer of government services, i want quality, and i'm willing to pay for it.

i don't buy shoes at the dollar store, and i don't want to buy my government there either-and who would?

MaxTheDog2's picture

What do you mean that Blackwater has no prosperity competition?

"Do we really believe government spending creates prosperity?" Senate Minority Leader Phil Berger asked.

Not only did he ask! But he supports it 100%! Look at all of the prosperity that Haliburton has got over the war against terrorism.

And for gosh sakes Phil! Don't forget about the prosperity that your own North Carolina republican company Blackwater has scam off the citizens of North Carolina.

Yes sir! Old stormtrooper Phil loves it when fascist prosperity is spread out among the military industrial complex in North Carolina.

Oliver Queen's picture

Depends on Location, Country, Context, and a lot of other things

Read one of Willam Easterly's books about the massive failures of our foreign aid spending. He doesn't get it right all of the time, but we can't afford to have another president spending our foreign aid money in the same way.

Oh, and then there's Iraq ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

Foreign Aid

Foreign aid usually props up the government in power in the countries where it is directed, especially when it is in the form of lump-sum transfers by our federal government.

However, private philanthropic actions such as building a well in an rural country, putting books in classrooms, and similar types of foreign assistants is almost impossible to be corrupted by dictatorships in power (say through buying land on the Riviera).

As such I almost unilaterally oppose foreign aid monetary transfers made by the federal government. But, back to the topic of NC government (and domestic, by the feds) spending and its justification as the most effective and efficient means of increasing the standard of living of the American people, I am unconvinced for the time being.

Personally,

I think that domestic (NC and Federal) spending on human relief programs has been ineffective because of small-minded legislators who cut taxes, spend more money, and ask for more to be done with less. The people who work in places like local health departments, mental health crisis units, and departments of social services, who deal every day with people who desperately need services are asked again and again and again to do more and more and more with less and less. Office support staff is let go. They are asked to work in insufficient space that no self-respecting businessman would set foot in. (Take a trip to Pinetree Industries Sheltered Workshop in West End, NC. You'll think you've stepped into the 19th century.) And then the lege asks for more. And gives less. And asks for more.

That's just plain stupid.

Oh, and then there are the ones that smirk and just don't care about others. Yeah, I'm looking northward to DC on that one.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

One of your best, A.

Rare form.

I love this:

Republican reign of error



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Thanks.

The Freepers are blanketing NC blogs with all this happy horseshit, and we have to keep calling them on it. Somewhere along the way, they rammed through the idea that corporations had the same rights as people. We have to push back.

Berger appears to be their Patty McHenry spokes-bot for right-wing nonsense, usually with an assist from one of the Puppets whose job (in non-profit organizations that are tax-exempt) it is to promote the blessings of the free-market. There is no grassroots anything when it comes to free-market mania. In North Carolina, it's all bought and paid for by the Puppetmaster, the Realtors and Big Energy.

It's not just the blogs

It's letters to the editors as well.

I'm noticing a pattern in the LTEs in my local paper. They follow the same slime trail as the blogs, with many of the same phrases and ideas. They've got a plan out there, with points, etc. They're organized.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

chartreuse dog's picture

My favorite line:

Because when regular people finally get angry enough and mobilized enough to return to polls, the Republican party itself will be the thing that gets drowned in Grover Nordquist's filthy bathtub.

Unique's picture

Ha Ha - Now There's a Crack Up

It is the opinion of almost all of such experts that WWII and not the New Deal was the cause of America's economic revival.

Tell me, did you take any math with your history classes? I didn't think so.

And which 'experts' would those be? And how in the hell could they be any more 'expert' than the people who lived through those times?

We should believe your 'experts' over the opinions of our parents and grandparents?

I don't think so.

And that, as they say, is that.

We should believe your 'experts' over the opinions of our parents and grandparents?

precisely.



Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

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