Debunking those NC Republican Talking Points

Those of you who read Anglico's post and comments found at this link are familiar with a couple of the new talking points the NC Republicans are using as cover for their inability to answer a direct question.

From Larry Brown:

In all due respect, North Carolinians voted for 35,000 votes more than the Democrats. Democrats won because of gerrymandered districts established by confessed felon Democrat Speaker JIM BLACK.

From Ruth Samuelson:

thanks for your concern.m As an FYI, there were more votes cast for Republican legislators than Democrat in the last election. What you see now is the power of the gerrymandering that former Speaker Jim Black put in place.

From Nelson Dollar:

Interestingly enough the citizens of the State of North Carolina did elect a Republican majority to the House and Senate in 2002, 2004 and even in 2006.

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Also, not to belabor the point on gerrymandinger (sic); however, if you look at the votes for the N.C. House hear (sic) in Wake Co. in 2004 you will find that more voters cast ballots for Republican House candidates than Democrat candidates even when you discard all of the votes for Jeffery's and compare an even number of D and R candidates. To quote Al Gore this may be an "inconvenient truth."

Holy crap! This is the most moronic load of horse manure I've heard in a very long time.

What, is there some kind of new vote sharing plan they think we should implement? Did any Republican not win election who received more votes than his Democratic opponent? Am I missing something?

Maybe they just haven't done the math. (Apparently I didn't do the math either...totals should be correct now.) There were 32 Democrats who ran unopposed and 32 Republicans.(One Rep. had opposition by two unaffiliated voters, but no Dem.) The average vote total for a Republican running unopposed was a little over 12, 820. The average vote total for a Democrat running unopposed was approximately 9,758.

So, the North Carolina electorate didn't vote for a Republican majority, they simply cast more votes for their 32 unopposed (or unopposed by a Dem) candidates than Dems cast for their unopposed candidates. I know this is a fairly complex concept for these Republican legislators to understand, but if they are going to have their brains anywhere near the state budget and other important aspects of governing, it would be nice to know they are capable of grasping complex issues. (My math wasn't that good either as I totally screwed these totals the first time around, but I'm not tinkering with the state budget or any other complex issue - AND I will admit when I screw up.)

And.....what the heck is this gerrymandering mess? Have Republicans even looked at the district map or registered voter data? Do they know how many of North Carolina's 100 counties have a Democratic majority? Do they know that as of last October Democrats had over 600,000 more registered voters in this state? Apparently not. Democrats enjoy a majority in 70 of North Carolina's 100 counties. That's right. Seventy, 70, seven zero. It doesn't matter who the speaker was during the last redistricting, it doesn't take gerrymandering to come up with a majority of Democratic districts when that many counties account for over 600,000 more Democratic voters. Actually, it's probably more of a challenge to come up with Republican districts.

I'm feeling a bit visual today, so why don't we look at some maps.

NC House District Groupings (Click for a large PDF version)

There are a few unusual looking districts among them, but without knowing the concentrations of D's and R's you don't know if these are evidence of gerrymandered districts. I could bore you by going district-by-district but I'd rather show a couple more maps.

Let's look county-by-county at registered voters. Here is a map of North Carolina showing counties with a Democratic majority (blue) and Republican majority(red). [click to see a larger version]

Wow, that's a lot of blue! That doesn't mean they all vote with their party, of course.

Now, take a look at the congressional districts colored in to show where there is Democratic representation and Republican representation.

Hmmmm. I see some pockets of blue in Republican territory and some pockets of red in areas with a majority of registered Democrats. Gerrymandered districts? Districts drawn to comply with the North Carolina constitution? Districts drawn to comply with the voting rights act? Hmmmmm. Maybe I'm just too dense to see it. Anyone care to help me out?

Finally, I just have to say something about their lack of comfort with the English language. It isn't the typos, incomplete sentences or creative spelling that lead me to say this, it's their amazingly childish use of the word "Democrat" instead of the proper adjectival form "Democratic". Honestly, if they're going to call us names don't you think they could come up with something a little more creative? That just plain makes them look ignorant. Why anyone would make themselves look any more stupid then they obviously already are is beyond me.

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This took forever

Those maps weren't easy and I know they aren't perfect, but my computers were on the floor during carpet installation/painting and I am just getting my office put back together.

Hey...we've already had our first showing. I don't think they will buy, but it is encouraging.

Hate to post and run, but I have to go do the carpool thing and talk the girls and friends to the pool. I'll check back in later.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.

Good job!

This is proof that corruption and idiocy is vibrant in the GOP - from the local level straight through to the federal.

Great points all the way around.

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Town Called Dobson - Daily Political Cartoon: Not all is red in rural America!

What about those terribly Gerrymander districts...

In statewide elections? Which Dems by far win a majority of? Did they redraw the district lines for those...?

darn county lines

those things are gerrymandered too. how else do you explain us holding something like 65 of 100 sheriff offices.

damn jim black and his ability to draw county lines different!!!

Draft Brad Miller-- NC Sen ActBlue

"Keep the Faith"

Clearly the Lord Proprietors...

were in on the scheme.

Okay! I am in charge here and you better get out of the chair!

Interestingly enough the citizens of the State of North Carolina did elect a Republican majority to the House and Senate in 2002, 2004 and even in 2006.* Government in exile Speaker Nelson Dollar

I told him a million times to stop hanging around the Cary Dog Walking Park and thinking it was raining Republicans everywhere when the dogs piss into the wind.

Excellent!

I'll be sure to send this to all the Rs on my friendly mailing list, but I don't expect them to be persuaded. They have been given their Kool-Aid by the Puppetmaster and his new baton-twirling majorette, Linda Daves. They don't care to be confused with facts.

Thank you so much for doing the hard work.

J

PS And don't expect the stenographers at McClatchy Co., to push back either. They've been hearing this "we're the majority" meme that's been pushed by the Goopers for a couple of weeks now. Why hasn't the Main Stream Mediocracy called them on it? Because they're mostly part of the Puppetshow themselves.

Thanks, A

I do need to note that I don't have a map with population concentrations which is what would maybe help visualize the districts as well. I know they are drawn based on population numbers and not the number of registered voters. I didn't really make that clear.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.

Just sent link to every member in the House

Will be interesting to see what they come back with . . . mostly think they'll just stick to their guns. A talking point is a talking point . . . they don't really care if it's true.

not always true...

...often a debunked talking point is another employment opportunity for a handy team of consultants-until the new point is debunked.

and the cycle continues...

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Fortunately, the NCGOP

and elected Republicans are not bright enough to come up with talking points that are difficult to debunk. :)

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic, the ass you save may be your own.

it makes you wonder...

...if our r friends will someday, in a bid to "maximize their economic return", look to outsource their consultants.

maybe it's time to buy stock in number crunchers and donation processors in bangalore.

"this is rajiv, from candidate services. how may i help you, senator?..."

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

"Democrat"

If I were Joe Hackney, I would pronounce that any House member that uttered that stupid Democrat Party nonsense could be assured that their bills, all of them, would be stuck in committee forever.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Excellent research...

...as usual by Southern Dem.

Left on 49

Cabarrus Democrats

Just to make it easier to compare.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me