Everything you need to know about the Senate health care bill

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Nurses don't like the bill either

In my experience, what nurses like or don't like is a good gauge of reality. When the nation's largest RN organization says the healthcare bill cedes too much to the insurance industry, it's pretty compelling to me.


I agree with your assertion that nurses are generally an excellent gauge of healthcare issues since they are on the front line. And I am not just saying that because I am married to one! However, the link you posted says

The 150,000 member National Nurses United, the nation’s largest union and professional organization of registered nurses in the U.S., today criticized the healthcare bill now advancing in the U.S. Senate saying it is deeply flawed and grants too much power to the giant insurers.

Did they survey their membership before releasing this statement or is the leadership presuming to speak on behalf of the membership without direct knowledge? I don't think in this case that if it is a presumption that a survey would bring about a significantly different message, however, it is a personal pet peeve of mine when someone applies the words of an organization to those of a group of people who may not have had any input in the crafting of that statement.

It goes back to my days as a teacher when the professional association, principals, district superintendents, board members, news media and anyone else who didn't actually have factual basis for their claims would declare "teachers want [insert what the speaker wants]" and yet not one of them had ever asked me or any of the other teachers I knew.

Like Apex Rich says

The 150,000 member National Nurses United, the nation’s largest union and professional organization of registered nurses in the U.S...

On the other hand, the 2.9 million member American Nurses Association eclipses the NNU by almost twenty-fold. The ANA endorsed the cloture vote, and seems to have a different position from that of the NNU.

Here's the ANA position.


The measure of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. - FDR

In the interests of full disclosure...

My wife is a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner and ANA member.


The measure of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. - FDR

Truth is

Actually, the truth is when it comes to a particular union favoring or not favoring something, it really is what the management within the union decides, not generally what the majority of the membership necessarily believes.

Unless in either the case of the 150,000 member union (NNU) or the 2 million member union (ANA), unless there was a vote taken by every member that showed they agree with the "official" position, it really doesn't mean much. I'm not saying that was not done here, just a point to consider.

I think this is everything

I think this is everything you need to know about the bill.

Some sourcing would be helpful

Here's a link to the chart, which is posted at Wonk Room with no attribution or information to suggest the data are reliable. The trajectory on overall costs seems especially suspicious.



It's all CBO numbers - at least that's my understanding.

Wonk Room is

a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund. With a name like that it could be almost anything, but the executives and staff seem real enough.



There cannot fail to be more kinds of things, as nature grows further disclosed. - Sir Francis Bacon


After busting my butt working to pass healthcare reform I'm really torn...these two articles sum up where I am at the moment:

That Gollum-like Feeling on Health Care

I find myself gripped in a bitter argument- with myself- about the fate of health care reform. It's sort of like watching the schizophrenic Gollum in the Lord Of The Rings saga fight angrily with himself over how to deal with Frodo: "the master is so nice to me, he takes care of me and wants to help me" vs. "I will strangle him, I will crush his head against the rocks, I will feed him to the giant spider". In my case, the raging fight with myself goes more like "But there are so many nice things in this bill, I really like a lot of it, and I've wanted this bill for such a long time" vs. "those evil insurers are screwing us again, I want to kill this bill, crush it against the rocks".



Here's my position. In these final days of the health care fight, progressives should work hard to improve the health reform bill in the Senate and in the conference with the (better) House bill. But we should support the passage of the best bill we can get - and then keep fighting for more and better reform.


Sanders Strengthens Senate Health Bill

Sen. Bernie Sanders is my hero:

Sanders Strengthens Senate Health Bill

It's been a rough week for democracy and genuine healthcare reform.

The Senate revealed itself to be a deeply flawed institution better suited to sausage making than democratic deliberation. The doling out of party favors has resulted in a historic but watered down bill to expand healthcare coverage to 30 million more Americans. Widely shared reform goals--a public option, Medicare expansion--have been killed off by turncoat Senators like Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson, an anti-democratic filibuster, and a White House unwilling to lead more boldly.

But step back for a moment and look at how a few Senators have worked to leaven this flawed bill--adding some decent and humane measures.


Mine, too

He illustrates the freedom that comes from independence.