Is the Greensboro N&R hiding behind state DOMA to exclude gays from its wedding contest?

This is one of those local stories that has to get out there because it shows the cultural shift of inclusion of LGBTs into daily life is hit and miss not just from state to state, but from city to city.

Take these various local couples and wedding contests or notices in the paper of couples marrying. Including LGBTs is a breakthrough because these are your neighbors, fellow readers of the regional newspaper. Visibility matters and the editors of those newspapers have to make some tough decisions in a difficult economic climate about whether to "rock the boat" for the sake of fairness.

The Greensboro News & Record is "throwing a wedding for one lucky couple in the Piedmont Triad," announced on the N&R's Editor John Robinson's blog page...

The text:

When you’re planning a wedding, you want it to be perfect – sparkling diamond, exquisite cake, beautiful ceremony and joyous reception.

The News & Record and Proximity Hotel want to help someone get that perfect wedding.

We are throwing a wedding for one lucky couple in the Piedmont Triad. Tell us what makes your love story special, and it could be yours.

Everyone else, you’re part of this, too. We want you to vote for your favorite couple.

When I say “throwing a wedding,” I mean pretty much everything, from the invitations to the dress to the ring to the cake to the reception. We’re even providing the honeymoon. You just need to get to the ceremony on time.

The co-sponsors are impressive:
* Schiffman’s Jewelry for the ring;
* Extra Ingredient for the wedding registry and china;
* Ashleigh’s Fine Paper for the wedding planning and invitations;
* Ollie’s Bakery for the cake;
* Dr. Mark Hyman for teeth whitening;
* Merle Norman for make-up;
* Dawn’s Bridal for the gown;
* Letia’s Bridal for the tuxedo;
* Plants and Answers for the flowers;
* AAA Travel for the honeymoon.

The Proximity Hotel will host and provide the rehearsal dinner, wedding ceremony and reception.

Classy.

The rules are simple. Beginning today and running through Oct. 17, we are accepting nominations here. (The application process is online only.) Both the prospective bride and groom write their love story and answer a few questions.

You must be at least 21 years old, and you must be single. (Sorry, renewing your vows doesn’t count.)

By the end of October, a committee will narrow the nominees to five couples, who will then be featured in the newspaper. The community will vote online to select the couple that will win the wedding.

We’ll announce the winner Nov. 14. The wedding is scheduled for Feb. 5, just in time for Valentine’s Day.

So, tell us your love story and let us do everything else short of saying “I do.”

This caught the eye of local Triad resident, Liv Jones of Greensboring, who blogged "News & Record's Wedding Contest, Un-Friendly To Gays?" She wrote me to ask what I thought about the contest.

My response:

We can call attention to it, but the paper does have the legal fig leaf - we cannot marry in NC. They specifically are talking about a wedding. This is in contrast to the "how you met your spouse" contest the N&O had (Kate and I took 2nd place). That paper chose to leave a wide berth for eligibility. The News and Record clearly didn't want gays and lesbians to participate by eliminating commitment ceremonies and such.

That's the story. The N&R thinks that the law as it stands protects it from criticism.

What I am referring to is the Raleigh News & Observer's recent Couple's Best: the story of how you met contest. The prizes (gift cards) made it possible for gay and straight couples to enter since "marriage" and "wedding" were not part of the contest's concept.

So technically, the News & Record is in the clear because the state law's on its side. And when Liv wrote the editor in the comments to answer her question about whether the contest was gay-unfriendly, she received this response from John Robinson himself, along with these remarks from others.

John Robinson September 19, 2010 - 2:57 pm EDT
Sorry, but a N.C. wedding license is required.

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retiree September 19, 2010 - 4:58 pm EDT
Lots of things in life are offensive to people, but last I checked saying something that is offensive is not a crime. Some people might find your comment offensive, but you still have a right to your own beliefs.

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flight105 September 19, 2010 - 5:26 pm EDT
Sodomite "unions" are not marriages anyway, regardless of what some activist judge says.

Nice. But the N&R is in the legal clear. The question is whether the newspaper wanted to have an inclusive contest or not. It's not structured to legally accommodate same-sex couples since the wedding is to take place at a local hotel that is one of the sponsors of the contest, and we cannot legally marry in NC.

Now could the hotel and N&R restructure the contest to legally marry a heterosexual couple or perform a commitment ceremony for a same-sex couple? Yes, they could; it chose not to (or didn't think about it) in planning the concept.

The person (civil or religious) performing the wedding is not listed as one of the sponsors/prizes. We do have gay-affirming churches willing to perform same-sex ceremonies in NC, so that's not an issue.

The newspaper made a choice to restrict its contestant pool; only the editor can say whether this was an oversight or intentional, and whether malice or fear was intended in the decision. Making note of how two newspapers handles inclusion is a legitimate topic of discussion. What does it say about the culture of the Triad vs. the Triangle? Is the newspaper in tune with its readership? I'll invite Liv to come over and comment.

But these are interesting times; discomfort and decisions that may be made based on ignorance or assumptions that local businesses will object or readers will cry out en masse about inclusion are the kind of discussions that are necessary. And they should be civil discussions because we are talking neighbor to neighbor at this level.

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Pam Spaulding
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Seems typical of the N&R

Barging ahead with ideas that are either half-baked or flat-out raw. And in this instance, the fig leaf doesn't cover very much at all. Weddings don't need state approval and do not imply anything legal in the sense that "marriage" currently does.

reply on the N&R's comment page by John Robinson

Just posted: http://www.news-record.com/node/98988

John Robinson September 20, 2010 - 10:47 am EDT
I hear you, Pam and ascensions. We and our partners talked about this issue as we were planning the wedding project. We knew it could be contentious. We decided to take a traditional approach to the wedding because we hadn’t done this before and weren't sure how everything would work. As part of that, we settled on following the state laws as it applies to marriages.

But you raise good points. If a same-sex couple wants to have a commitment ceremony, I encourage them to send me an email at the address on this blog’s home page and I'll make sure that the request will be considered.

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Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend
www.pamshouseblend.com

I'll make sure that request will be considered

In other words:

"We screwed up, but rather than fix the problem and create a public relations problem, we're going to do what we always do, treat gays like second-class citizens who need "special consideration."

John would do well to learn the fine art of apologizing rather than making excuses.

well he had to avoid a sh*tstorm of bad PR

Considering I Tweeted and Facebooked about this situation to thousands of friends and followers as well, that meant the Internets was rife with questions about homophobia at the N&R. He needed to clarify that situation pronto.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant. It's just good to let local businesses and media know that people are watching. Big hat tip to Liv Jones of Greensboring, who clued me in to this.

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Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend
www.pamshouseblend.com

Hey, John Robinson! Do you do divorcees?

From his "rules"

You must be at least 21 years old, and you must be single. (Sorry, renewing your vows doesn’t count.)

If renewing your vows doesn't count, will you allow people who have been married previously to participate...even if they are single (not in God's eyes) now?

Please let me know how you'll check on those who are divorced or adulterers.

We must follow the traditional state's law!

 

Check out the continuing bigotry in Greensboro

John Robinson keeps digging the hole deeper at The News & Record.

Link over to his most recent comments about running the contest according to NC marriage law (posted late in the day of course).

Memo to Robinson: You're already not following NC marriage law by restricting it to people over 21. People under 21 can get married.

His comments are a lesson in doublespeak worthy of an editor. Congrats!

 

I left another comment for John Robinson

OK, so now you're saying that a same-sex couple that enters, will be "considered", but has zero chance of winning the contest because they cannot receive a NC marriage license? Come on, John, you cannot have it both ways. Please clarify.

Does he really want a sh*tstorm of bad publicity? I am certainly happy to make that happen.

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Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend
www.pamshouseblend.com

Robinson still doesn't know what to do

His response: http://www.news-record.com/node/98988

John Robinson September 21, 2010 - 1:43 pm EDT
We haven't changed the rules. We are open to hearing from and talking to people who feel they qualify under the rules except for the requirement about the valid N.C. marriage license. I can't say whether that will cause a change in the rules or not.

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Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend
www.pamshouseblend.com

In other words

We just don't know what to do with teh gayz ... ain't ya'll gettin' tarred a' c'mplaining?

Sheeesh. You'd think the top dog at one of the state's major newspapers could manage a freakin' contest with a modicum of competence, dignity and grace.

Sadly, I'm used to this sh!t

It's not that different from the DADT debacle.

Robinson indicated that they knew their bigotry might be a problem, talked about it, but did it anyway.

Then he said they would have a work-around solution to fix it, but haven't really tried to execute the work-around, and now the work-around is exposed as bulls!t.

Same as DADT "repeal"

Screw Obama. And Screw Robinson.