Iowa Caucus Open Thread
Submitted by Betsy Muse on Thu, 01/03/2008 - 9:07pm
Many of the news shows I'm watching are saying the Democratic field is too close to call in Iowa. A few are concentrating only on Obama and Clinton. The print media and blogs were also all over the place today with their coverage.
I think Edwards wins Iowa. In the Washington Post this morning Dana Milbank completely ignored John Edwards, but he said something that made me think.
On Thursday night, America will finally have an answer to the question: Is Obama another Howard Dean, or can he win the nomination? Like Dean, he has challenged the Democratic establishment with a coalition of students and political independents. His candidacy, like Dean's, will collapse if they don't show up.It is, in other words, a battle between the passion and the machine, between Hillary Clinton's establishment support and the superior enthusiasm of Obama's supporters.
The problem for Dana is that while Clinton might be the establishment candidate, she doesn't have the machine behind her in Iowa. John Edwards is the man with the well-oiled political operation in Iowa.
This was illustrated for us in a piece submitted by Jim Morrill of the Charlotte Observer and Rob Christensen of the Raleigh News & Observer.
But if Edwards is to win tonight's Iowa caucuses it will be because of the little-known soldiers in Edwards' army -- volunteers such as Tracy Hatfield, Julie Brown and Lauri Lumm-Usher.Those three -- and an estimated 2,000 to 3,000 like them -- have spent much of the past year doing the unglamorous work of building a political organization for Edwards. They have given up weekends, holidays and evenings to work the phones and go door-to-door to build support.
The former N.C. senator has been building his Iowa organization for at least five years -- far longer than his Democratic rivals. Edwards and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois are regarded as having the strongest Democratic organizations in the state.
The lifeblood of all the presidential organizations in Iowa are the precinct captains. The Edwards campaign says it has identified and trained captains for 95 percent of the 1,781 precincts. Most precincts have two or three captains.
For months, the captains have been lining up votes. Tonight, they will make one last pitch, trying to persuade the undecided and the supporters of those candidates who fail to muster the minimum 15 percent support needed to qualify under the caucus system to vote for Edwards.
Edwards ran away with the DailyKos straw poll and honestly, I would pick him to win Iowa even if I thought he wouldn't. (I also always pick the Heels to win the national championship.)
Here are my picks:
Edwards 31%
Obama 27%
Clinton 24%
I don't care about the Republicans, so not going to waste my time. Enjoy the pictures and if you have one of yourself posing with a presidential canidate, please email it to me so I can add it to the pile.
My girls with the next president of the United States.
Sam and a bunch of people I don't recognize. Well...not really. I recognize Duncan Hunter. :)
Happy Iowa Caucus Day Y'all
Entrance polls so far show a tight race
between Obama and Clinton and Edwards behind.
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Instant Results Here! Both Parties.....
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IA
2% of precincts reporting
42% Edwards,
33% Clinton
25% Obama
It's very, very early. I imagine the larger precincts with record turnout will come in much later and I think those sway for Obama.
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5% reporting in
36% Edwards
31% Clinton
26% Obama
2% Biden
This is close
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10% reporting in
34% Edwards
32% Clinton
31% Obama
2% Richardson
Huckabee leading Reps with 2% reporting in
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the iowa caucus, paired with
the iowa caucus, paired with keith olbermann. does a day get any better?
17%
34% Edwards
32% Clinton
31% Obama
2% Richardson
Kos seems to think that with Clinton and Obama running strong in rural precincts it bodes ill for JRE.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Looking at the exit polls, I
Looking at the exit polls, I think Obama is going to pull this thing out. Edwards has done well in he Western part of the state which is early to report, but over time, I think you will see Obama slowly gain.
betsy, thank you very much
betsy, thank you very much for providing us with such up to date numbers. here's to a strong obama/edwards showing.
p.s.: my apologies for that double post. something went horribly awry, and i have absolutely no idea how to make one of them disappear.
Don't worry, I took care of it. :)
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Hope For Edwards
Of course, those exit polls don't include second choice voters. Edwards may benefit greatly from those second choice voters. I guess I want to put a little caveat on my last statement.
They just showed one rural county
where there were six second chance votes and four went to Edwards, two to Obama.
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23%....you getting tired of this yet?
It's pretty much a three way tie
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CNN projects Huckabee as winner in Iowa
Wow
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i try to only watch cnn when
i try to only watch cnn when jack cafferty loses it on repugs. cafferty used to be a local news anchor on WPIX back in nyc, and i adore that man. hes such a liberal grouch.
Cafferty
a curmudgeon's curmudgeon. I love him.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
i can always rely on you for
i can always rely on you for some late night bluenc action. eek, that sounded dirty.
So
Allah/Shiva/Yahweh hath spoken ... go figure, huh.
So, so, so close
486 of 1,781 districts reporting
Edwards 32.53
Obama 32.47
Clinton 32.25
Richardson 1.85
Biden 0.76
Dodd 0.10
Uncommitted 0.03
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This is addictive
Caucus results. Auto-refreshes every 30 seconds.
I can't take my eyes off of it
I almost wish you'd kept it to yourself. :)
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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I never thought
I'd get addicted to the "refresh" ticker at this Iowa Dem. Party site:
http://www.iowacaucusresults.com/
But it's like watching the returns flash on the screen at the courthouse on election day...
NYT
Iowa
33%
0
I love this!!! I get to
I love this!!! I get to watch this all unfold again next Tuesday! I still think that Obama is going to pull away and win by three to four points over Clinton in second place.
WaPo update
Iowa Democratic Caucuses
Candidate %
Barack Obama 33
John Edwards 32
Hillary Clinton 32
Other 3
Precincts: 42% | Updated: 9:05 PM ET | Source: AP
Iowa Republican Caucuses
Candidate %
Mike Huckabee 35
Mitt Romney 24
Fred Thompson 14
Other 27
Precincts: 25% | Updated: 9:05 PM ET | Source: AP
Huckabee's win concerns me.
Huckabee's win concerns me. Does this put in place the situation where McCain can walk away with the election in New Hampshire? He is still the strongest Republican candidate in the race and if Romney had been able to beat him in New Hampshire, I think he would have been done. With Romney losing Iowa by possibly double digits, does this end the Romney campaign and hand New Hampshire and possibly Michigan to McCain?
That said, if Huckabee could
That said, if Huckabee could pull the nomination out, I would love the chance to rough him up in the general,
Obama is edging away
I imagine there will be a tiny bit of adjustment later, but it's still fairly close right now.
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WaPo 9:45
Iowa Democratic Caucuses
Candidate %
Barack Obama 37
John Edwards 30
Hillary Clinton 30
Other 3
Precincts: 86% | Updated: 9:45 PM ET | Source: AP
Iowa Republican Caucuses
Candidate %
Mike Huckabee 34
Mitt Romney 25
Fred Thompson 14
Other 28
Precincts: 67% | Updated: 9:45 PM ET | Source: AP
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Got to be Obama
37% with 84% reporting
Hillary Third?
Could Hillary finish third and how badly does this hurt her campaign?
Edwards!
He is holding his own
"jump in where you can and hang on"
Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy
And they said he was "done". Hah!
John Edwards is still very much in the race for the Presidency, even without the help of any of the 2nd tier candidates' endorsements.
So it begins. :)
AP calls Huckabee
AP is calling Huckabee the Republican winner
Dems too close to call.
MSNBC projects Obama
fired up? ready to go?
OBAMA WINS!!!!
Obama is on his way to winning. How much of a bounce does he get in New Hampshire and where then is Hillary Clinton's firewall?
I think a lot of it relies
I think a lot of it relies on Edwards taking second in Iowa. That throws the somewhat long time poll frontrunner (Clinton) into some sort of underdog figure, which seems like it may disrupt some of her momentum. But alas, who knows.
9:30pm CNN
predicts Senator Obama wins Iowa!
NBC calls Obama
Reuters writes that NBC calls Obama
(I'm not watching the tube)
NYTimes calls Obama
NYTimes calls Obama
Clinton "spokesperson" David Broder
sez Edwards is done......but a possible 3rd place finish for Clinton doesn't mean anything bad.
Broder is such a tool.
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Clinton
third? How can this be?
I am loving this. Even if it IS by such a small margin.
How will she handle when folks ask her how does it feel to be in 3rd in Iowa. I do not want to hear that Bill did not win a state until GA. She is not Bill.
Bidan, Richardson, Dodd are done. With that, Hillary finished last in Iowa of the folks that matter.
Broder is no spokesperson for the Clintons
David Broder has written many very critical columns about the Clintons. He was no fan of Bill's, nor of Hillary's.
He's not a shill of any candidate. If he were, he would not be able to survive in his job for so long.
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I blog on all sorts of topics at www.jimbuie.net
Jim, you might not have heard the same Broder I did
last night and yes, he's written plenty of negative stuff about the Clintons. If you notice, the word spokesperson is in quotes. That's my way of criticizing what he said. It is idiotic to think that a third place finish for Hillary Clinton didn't hurt her at all and a second place finish for Edwards meant he was completely washed up. That's basically what Broder said...wait! That's exactly what Broder said. I think Broder was completely wrong and so did most of the other analysts because I don't recall any of them agreeing with him. I never said he was a shill, but he certainly seemed to have an agenda by putting out a statement that made absolutely no sense whatsoever. He came across as a Clinton "spokesperson."
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Obama In New Hampshire
Who gets second place and does it matter? If Edwards finishes second Clinton's campaign has a major setback. However, if Edwards finishes third, I think the Edwards campaign is pretty in deep trouble. My guess is that Edwards voters in New Hampshire will begin shopping for a new candidate. My guess also is that these voters will favor Obama over Clinton. In either case, I see a good chance for another Obama victory in New Hampshire.
Here's the difference between a $400 haircut
and a $12, five minute, it's-almost-time-for-lunch rendezvous with a constantly-moving chair at Great Scalps:
Go John, Go!
Edwards outspent 6:1
And he comes in second. Bill Clinton came in second in Iowa and he wound up preznit.
:)
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To Be Fair
I said something like that to a friend of mine and was reminded:
1. That doesn't count 527 spending on Edwards' behalf by union groups.
2. Huckabee got outspent 16:1 (or something like that) and won.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
So, nobody else got 527 money?
I know they don't get the money in their coffers.....
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Is anyone watching
Is anyone watching Huckabee's speech?
I hope people understand now why I like him...and why I hope he won't be the Republican nominee for President.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
the only thing worse than
the only thing worse than watching a huckabee speech, is watching a huckabee speech whilst chuck norris stares directly into the camera. i think i peed.
i was thinking the same.
This year just got a whole lot more interesting. I can't wait to see the spin by the weekend.
Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.
Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.
yup
watching it ... and reminded again why I don't like him. Feels like he's about to take up an offering.
Really?
I thought he gave an incredible closing speech...a speech that gets him out of the Iowa evangelical shadow (I think he mentioned God once) so that he places well in New Hampshire.
Edit: If you watch the West Wing, I'd compare it to Arnold Vinick's convention speech during the 6th Season.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
Guess I've heard
too much Baptist preaching over the years ... smooth as silk and seductive as a venus fly trap. Scares the hell out of me (altho not in a theological sense). He didn't have to mention God; he has the cliches and the ecclesiastical mannerisms down.
No way it was like Vinick's speech.
Alan Alda is a much better speaker.
He only mentioned God once, but he had a lot of the coded messages - pointing up, while saying he wanted to bring the nation together. This coming from a man who 10 years ago said he wanted to bring the United States "back to Jesus" is not exactly comforting to those of us who don't think that's the way to go.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
I absolutely see why you like him
He does come across as very likeable.
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I Like Him
...and I'm deathly afraid.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
Admitting it...
...is the first step. We'll still allow you around these parts... for now.
Larry Kissell is Blogging over on DailyKOS ...
The link is here
dodd and biden drop out.
very interesting.
Mitt's meltdown
Huckabee embarrassed Mitt Romney, who poured millions into the Hawkeye state only to see The Base desert him -- and Mitt was shoveling craven, pathetic gay-baiting and pandering of the worst order (you know he's hit rock bottom when he sidles up to Bob Jones and Lou Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition).
And the savior of the Freepi, Fred Thompson? At 14%, I don't know who those folks will turn to, since many of them don't like Mitt or Rudy.
The GOP establishment is now going to do all it can to stop the Huck train. His candidacy is scaring the bejesus out of the GOP mainstream. They want fundie votes, not a fundie nominee. Plus Huckabee’s history of corruption has yet to break big. The MSM has been focusing on his damn rock guitar playing more than the man’s record.
It's good to see the Obama win, if for no other reason that it takes the whole "inevitable Hillary" meme off the table for the moment in the MSM. That whole line was BS anyway, but it was tiring to hear that message over and over. Folks wanted change in Iowa, and it's clear that Clinton didn't represent that. That's a good sign for both Edwards and Obama as they go on to NH, and the MSM pontificators can stop bleating about how Edwards or Obama are toast.
Biden and Dodd have dropped out.
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Someone pinch me...
It's not just that Obama and Edwards are 1 and 2... It's that the GOP primary is actually shaping up into a no holds barred death match between the evangelicals and the corporatists.
Hee hee he hee hee heeee!!!
At first...
I was excited to think the same, then I thought of just how fucking frightening the evangelical support could get. Regardless I'd love to tank Huckabee with either Barack or John in the GE.
I figured it was inevitable that Dodd, and perhaps Biden would
drop out.
I think they are both excellent Senators, and I still think that Dodd had the best Early Care and Education Plan of all of them. I listened to Biden's speech, and whispered a soft "sorry, Sam." He's an incredibly intelligent Senator, and I hope he has a role in the next administration - I'd love to see him as Majority Leader.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Guess who I watched the caucus coverage with?
Went to the Forsyth County Young Democrats caucus party this evening and guess who walks through the door? Color me and everyone else in attendance very, very impressed, Jim.
Thanks for spending the evening with us in Winston-Salem!
I'm not giving up, but
If Edwards had finished just a couple points more, it would have made a bigger difference. As it stands, Hillary can claim a tie.
While this helps Edwards, it doesn't hurt Hillary as much as a larger margin of defeat would have.
Obama will get a HUGE boost, and Edwards' boost will be offset by the Clintons throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the next few states in order to save face.
I watched the live caucus on C-Span, and the Richardson people all but sprinted over to Obama, and Richardson was way more organized than I expected.
My prediction is that Iowa puts Obama first in NH, with Clinton second. A third place finish there for Edwards pretty much knocks him out because of money. Sad but true.
I think the Dem ticket is Obama/Richardson. A ticket I could vote for, but not the ticket I prefer.
The Idea
I don't think the ticket will be Obama/Richardson, but I think you're right otherwise.
Both Biden and Richardson's non-viable supporters seem to break for Obama (the woman from the Richardson campaign on C-Span was persistent, to say the least). In those camps, I think the logic was in order for them to be viable beyond Iowa, they both seem to want two things to happen: first, get rid of John Edwards (since he's just ahead of them in the polls) and second, to weaken Hillary Clinton. The best way to do that, of course, is to do what you can, without completely sacrificing yourself, to make sure Obama wins the Iowa caucus.
Of course, I think that strategy was predicated on the thought that they'd get much more support out of the caucus than they actually did, but I think that was the idea behind it.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
In 2004, it was Kerry at 38%
In 2004, it was Kerry at 38% and Edwards at 32%, with Dean and Gephardt pairing up to match Clintons 29% in Iowa. I find all of the Richardson talk kind of random, but perhaps I'm missing something many have seen in the past months? Dare I ask, is an Obama/Edwards '08 yard-sign an unrealistic possibility for my front yard?
Edwards for AG
I've said this for a while now, but I don't think Edwards wants to go down the veep path again, and I don't think it suits him.
But just for a second, close your eyes and imagine his unrestrained passion for protecting the vulnerable, as head of the Department of Justice.
I've made no secret that Edwards isn't my favorite pick for President, but I have a hard time imagining someone better for that very visible post.
re: Edwards for AG
I think this is a great idea. Joe Biden for Secretary of State; Bill Richardson for whatever; Hillary for VEEP?
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Hillary: Worst VP Choice possible?
Kucinich might be worse, depends on the size of his negatives in Ohio. But Hillary doesn't do anything for the ticket, and her ego might cause infighting like that between the ticket in 2004. And her negatives are higher than Harold or Kumar.
1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks
I agree
The biggest thing Obama would need from the VP slot is iron clad foreign policy experience. Being First Lady doesn't count for much, and she hasn't exactly shown great judgment in the Senate.
How about . . .
Hillary for a nice long run in the world's most exclusive club?
Really. Is being a Senator really that terrible a consolation prize?
Best names I've heard or thought of for VP if Obama is the nominee are Biden, Webb, and Bob Graham of Florida. Richardson has a bit of appeal, but I'm not sure that would work.
Ooooooh, Jim Webb...
I was just at a party playing the "Obama's VP" game and I somehow totally forgot about my favorite new Senator... must have been the Baileys and espresso...
I've been reading "The Armies of the Night" by Norman Mailer and came across a great line that could describe Webb (or any of our own resident warrior-poets) just last night:
Awesome book.
I never want to like Norman Mailer's books, because I always thought he was a massive tool. But the man sure could write.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
A tool, yes... a cold, dead tool.
What I'm noticing most is how poorly his He-Man-Chest-Thumping posture has aged! It must have been a disorienting read when it was first published, what with the third person perspective (Mailer is himself the main character), but when you remove that perspective AGAIN by forty years of American "cultural progress", it's downright hilarious!
Can anyone remember, was Mailer yet considered a caricature in 1968? I mean, it's a joke right?
I was only 8.
So I don't know. I read the book about 10 years ago. And yes. Caricature.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
I would love to see Bidan
running for VP. I like how he handles himself in the armed services committee.
I do not think he would hurt anyone as a VP running mate.
I'm not sure about Biden or Dodd,
but Richardson and Kucinich told their supporters that Obama should be their second choice.
After watching C-SPAN last night I'm not even sure if there is such a thing as "improper" in this process, but what's the point in candidates and canvassers spending all that time and money there if a person's second choice is decided for them?
"Democracy" in action?
Sheeple told how to vote?
I'm not disappointed in Obama's win last night - he's my second choice. But I'm the kind of person that if someone told me who my vote should go to, I'd be suspicious as to why. You've got to prove yourself to me before I'll vote for you.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
To be clear, both the
To be clear, both the Richardson and Biden campaigns say they never made such an agreement. The only person we know made such a deal is Kucinich. And, of course, Dodd publicly came out against such deals, so we know he didn't...
No one's second choice is decided for them, just suggested.
The benefit of the deal to second tier candidates is two-fold: first, as I mentioned, they had a long-term interest in weakening Clinton (Obama was the only one with a shot at doing that realistically) and wounding Edwards, perhaps fatally; and second, they knew that Obama would be viable in most precincts and that in some, they might fall just below the threshold.
Let's say for example, an imaginary precinct's viability threshold is 50 supporters. Obama has enough supporters to secure 5 delegates at this imaginary precinct, plus an additional 20 supporters, who don't really count for anything. So if you're another second-tier candidate with 40 supporters, and you've got a deal with Obama that works both ways (which, btw, I'm not certain that ANY campaign did)...Obama's precinct captain can send you 10 supporters, so that your campaign can secure viability and some delegates.
I hope that makes sense.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
I hope Hillary
does not try to claim a tie.
In a poll, the margin of error would allow her to claim a tie. This was real voting for position.
She finished third.
If she or her people will not accept that, what else will she or her people spin to make Hillary look good.
I hope she does not try to minimize the people of Iowa as that means she will minimize anyone that gets in her way.
Accept third and move on.
Hate to say I told you so....
I've known it for a long time, tonight a huge group of Iowans came to the same realisation and I'm hoping a few more people on here will also soon see that our next President will have a funny name: Barack Obama.
As I was watching his speech on TV I was wondering, is it okay for a semi-grown man like me to sit in front of the TV and cry?
My answer: You haven't seen half of it yet dude.
I'll be canvassing for Obama in South Carolina this weekend and I've already signed up to work all day for him on January 26th, SC primary day.
Won't you join me?
Left on 49
A lot of Democrats are going to wake up tomorrow
And realize that an Obama victory feels pretty good.
And as the day wears on they're going to start thinking "yeah... you know what?
"Something about this feels downright AWESOME."
Alas, Pam's post below raises the specter of a late day melancholy, accompanied by the whispered doubt:
"But will THEY let us keep him?"
Reason Enough
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
well it didn't take long...
OK. It didn't take long for the Base to come out in full force after Obama's win. Look at this mind-blowing bigoted post over in Freeperland. Expect the same to be repeated in variations over at Faux News ad nauseum.
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In response to the post quoted by Pam
Of course there will be idiots saying idiotic things about Barack Obama. They would be saying them about whoever had won in Iowa; they just find it easier to say it about him. The assholes will always be with us. At least we know who they are because they just can't keep their mouths shut.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
i'm with liberalnc!
on to new hampshire!
Don't count your chickens yet folks.
After NH this becomes a two-person race, between Obama and Edwards. Then, people get to decide who stands a better chance of seeing real change happen in Washington. Obama is all talk. He has stolen John Edwards speech about taking on lobbyists, yet he hires them again and again.
From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
Obama is all talk. When it comes time to actually stand for something he fails again and again. Just like his numerous weanie "present" votes in Illinois when it came time to put his name on the line or the loss of his anti-war voice once he was given a real position of power in the US Senate. Barack Obama has failed to live up to his rhetoric and the people will see this.
I disagree with many of those above. If Hillary Clinton wins the election I will be out knocking on doors for her, trying if nothing else to NOT let her hurt the down-ticket races. If Edwards wins, I'll be banking, knocking, whatever. If Obama wins...well, then the local races in NC can expect a lot more attention from me, because I think Barack Obama is the worst Democrat we could possible put in the White House at this moment in time.
I haven't stirred the pot in awhile, consider it done.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
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Thank you Robert..I appreciate your input and information
You always seem to provide the kind of information and view that I really need to know and consider.
Between you, James, Betsy, LindaC, GregFlynn, DramaQueen, Pam, SCHarrison and so many others I benefit and grow as an informed citizen. Thank you for being here and caring enough to move on and go forward.
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Well I agree with this part of your post
But I think it will be Obama and Clinton. Clinton will be in and viable until Feb. 5. She still polls 15 - 20 points up on Obama in national polls (pre Iowa of course) and is a huge favorite in Nevada and ALL of the big states that go Feb. 5. She is also $12 million up on Obama.
Edwards is a distant third in money and polls less than 15% in most of the Feb. 5 states. He needed to win Iowa like Obama did. Edwards had a 2004 legacy in Iowa plus he's practically lived there for the last 4 years all to finish in a virtual tie (+.28%) with Clinton in an 8% loss.
Obama is the new voice for change, and that gets more media play than Edwards's rehashed two Americas line.
Sorry to disagree as I realize how passionate you are about Edwards, but that's the way I see it.
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The only thing I agree with...
is the title of your post.
Left on 49
I Agree w/ Liberal NC
Sounds like sour grapes to me. I mean, the least you could do is try to be even handed.
I think it's clear that Obama's limited his meme to federal, not state, lobbyists. Beyond that, he's not that much different in that regard than Sen. Edwards. I mean, Joe Trippi's a former agent of a foreign country, who Edwards says wouldn't be allowed to work in his White House. Do you take issue with Trippi's employment?
I'm supporting whoever the Democratic Presidential nominee is. Period.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracts. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
NH Rasmussen poll: Obama 37% Clinton 27% Edwards 19%
That ain't gonna change much between now and Tuesday unless one of them throws up during the debate tonight (I certainly would).
That said, if anyone's numbers climb, they'll be John's. I certainly, certainly hope they do.
Holding off on bumper endorsement until Wednesday
I've got two stickers waiting in the wings...
But here's some interesting analysis of the-ticket-that-dare-not-speak-it's-name-lest-we-jinx-it.
(Guess before you click!)
I got your sticker...
You want a white one or a blue one?
By the way, I guessed right when it comes to an Obama VP..what did I win? :-)