NC Primary Watch: Why is NC Dem Party siding with Clinton on debates?

To understand the debate saga, let's flip the calendar back two weeks ago. As the Associated Press reported on March 24, CBS and Sen. Obama had originally proposed a debate in North Carolina for Saturday, April 19.

But Clinton demurred -- indeed, in responding to the CBS/Obama proposal, the Clinton camp wouldn't even commit to having a debate in North Carolina at all. The usually-staid AP couldn't help but note the irony:

[O]nce so eager to debate she ran two ads questioning why her rival wouldn't, Clinton has yet to say whether she'll debate Sen. Barack Obama in North Carolina next month. [emphasis added]

Then, last week, Clinton said she did want a North Carolina debate after all -- but it had to be a week later, on April 27. The Clinton camp said April 19 should be nixed in observance of Passover; Obama's people said Clinton just wanted more TV time in Pennsylvania before that state's April 22 primary. (We'll see on April 19 whether Clinton ends up at a campaign photo op or retiring to a Passover seder.)

But the media then went an extra step: It started reporting that Clinton's April 27 counter-proposal to Obama (which CBS was willing to go along with, too) was now "the" date for the debate. A headline in the April 4 Raleigh News & Observer -- "N.C. Debate in Works, Clinton on Board" -- was typical. The message was clear: Clinton wanted to debate; Obama -- who "did not immediately sign off" on a April 27 event, said the N&O -- was now the one stalling.

You can forgive the Obama campaign for asking: How did that switcheroo happen?

The reason is clear: Because the North Carolina Democratic Party -- supposedly neutral in the primaries -- was, and is, taking Clinton's side and making her plan look like a done deal.

For the record, Obama still hasn't agreed to Clinton's April 27 date; as an Obama spokesperson said:

"We had proposed a debate in North Carolina before the 22nd of April. Apparently, the Clinton folks vetoed that. We haven't made a decision whether the later date fits into our schedule."

But that hasn't stopped N.C. Democratic leaders from aggressively pushing for Clinton's debate proposal. Last week, when asked about Clinton's plans for an April 27 debate, N.C. Democratic Party chair Jerry Meek cheerfully told the N&O, "I think it will be great" -- making no reference to CBS and Obama's earlier proposal to debate April 19.

This week, the Party has gone even further, declaring on its website that the presidential candidate debate will be on April 27. Indeed, the party is widely publicizing tickets for a April 27 debate -- Obama or not.

In public statements, N.C. party leaders are putting the onus on Obama. This quote from party spokeswoman Kerra Bolton is representative: "We are confident that Sen. Obama will agree to the debate." But what about Clinton agreeing to Obama's debate?

Behind the scenes, there are other signs of favoritism. Facing South has learned of at least two instances where high-ranking N.C. Democratic Party operatives have openly said that Obama is trying to hold up the debate process; one even suggested that Clinton -- who just two weeks ago wasn't sure she wanted to debate in N.C. -- "cares more about the state." (One can see this line echoed in these blog post comments.)

Clinton's spin, aided by the N.C. party, seems to be working. The N&O is now reporting on the "April Madness" surrounding the April 27 debate, with Meek stating that party headquarters is "getting deluged with phone calls and e-mails from North Carolinians" wanting to attend.

Together, Clinton and North Carolina party leaders have succeeded in painting Obama into a corner. He has no choice but to say "yes, I can" to attending Clinton's April 27 debate, or else he'll be called out as snubbing the state.

But given that Democrats in North Carolina overwhelmingly support Obama -- and that the Party is prohibited by its own rules from taking sides -- the whole episode might give the state's rank-and-file Democrats a right to ask of their leaders: Who do you represent, and which side are you on?

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nctodc's picture

Saves Me An E-Mail

I was actually in the middle of an e-mail to Jerry about this very issue.

Thanks for addressing it.

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Jerry, I know you read here. How about a response?

This diary raises a very good question - there is a slight appearance of favoritism. Perhaps it's that you were only partially quoted; or perhaps it's just your enthusiasm for a Presidential Primary in NC actually meaning something. We're all excited about that.

How 'bout it, Jerry? What gives? :)

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We picked the 27th out of a

We picked the 27th out of a range of dates that the CBS senior vice president gave to us after conferring with the Obama campaign. The suggestion that Senator Clinton picked that date and we merely supported that date is false.

http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/meek_cbs_picked_april_27

Thanks!

I knew there was a good answer.

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I was wondering why I was asking for tickets before Obama agreed

Chris,

Your analysis convinces me.

As time goes on, the happier I am that I'm no longer donating to the NCDP. I started donating when Jerry Meek was elected, but the party is feeling increasingly top-down in what should be a bottom-up world.

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Ruby Sinreich's picture

Interesting

I just registered on the NCDP site for the ticket lottery before I read this - but either way I want a ticket, whenever the hell it happens.

Did you know that almost 75% of NCDP web site visitors prefer Obama? I just took the survey on the front page (which doesn't offer "peace" as an option when asking about my most important issue) and these are the current results:

Jerimee's picture

peace

The question is "Of the following, which issue is most important to you?"

If I listed "peace" or "Iraq" everyone would pick Iraq and I wouldn't know anything I didn't previously know. I need to add an additional comments open text box to the end of the survey.

What issues would you like to see listed?

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Jerimee's picture

Ok now you can submit your own text as part of the survey

might have to make the navigation a bit more prominent...

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Ruby Sinreich's picture

Thanks Jerimee

My point was the peace is far more important to me than any other issues listed. Having an open option is probably a better way to get accurate answers, anyway. I just visited NCDP.org and the poll looked the same. But thanks in advance for changing it.

Anyone have news about the debate? I'm curious about whether it's on...

Jerimee's picture

the poll

I've been updating the pie chart. It just looks pretty much the same because, even though the number of votes has increase, the percentages have been the same.

After you finish taking the poll it gives you a link you can click to submit additional info. I've gotten a few responses, and I'm glad you got me to follow through on this.

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Jerimee's picture

Results as of April 14th 6:30 pm

...are exactly the same as those for April 11th. The number of participants goes up, but percentages stay the same (75, 23, 2).

Only those who choose to participate in the survey are represented. Therefore these results make no claim to valid statistical significance. But you already knew that.

If you'd like to participate you can go to http://ncdp.org

You can't vote twice unless you cheat, which is the GOP's prerogative.

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How many people have responded to the poll?

Will you tell us?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Jerimee's picture

over 2000

But even if it was over 20,000 the self selection problem would still be in effect.

There's tons of filters: people who don't have internet access can't participate, people who don't visit NCDP aren't invited to participate, and then even of those who have access and visit NCDP, self-selection is still at work as some choose to do the survey and many choose to skip it.

I'm sure yall didn't need for me to spit these self-evident facts at you. Just saying because I'm anal...

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