Non Smoking Restaurants in NC ?
Submitted by zachetti07 on Sat, 05/03/2008 - 5:50pm.
Can anyone tell me which candidates are in favor and will actually push legislation through for NC to become smoke-free in restaurants and or in the workplace? Thanks.
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Hmmm.....haven't heard anyone running on that
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
I haven't either, but I'd vote for them.
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it is a state matter
I am against any laws banning smoking though I have not problem with individuals companies banning it, but if one wants to allow it I say it is not the governments bussiness to get involved.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you.
But smoking infringes on the rights of other people - and I'd like to think that the government would protect my right to health. I have no problem with restaurants that provide non-smoking areas that are truly free of cigarette smoke. Those are truly few and far between.
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many places have banned smoking
They can and I have no problem with it, but you as a health concered non smoker has a right to not patron a place that does allow it so I fail to see why the government should step in on this one.
okay. I'm not up for it tonight. :)
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good night
sleep well we will do this again another day
You're on!
It's actually an interesting argument, because it brings in the rights of the non-smoker vs. the rights of the smoker vs. the rights of the business. Something I'd like to chew on sometime. But not tonight. I'm still feeling too good from last night's JJ event.
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The issue is really about the restaurant workers
who must be present in the establishment for 6, 8 even 10 hours at a time. Does ANY company have the right to willingly and regularly expose it's employees to toxic substances? Cigarette smoke is toxic; may not kill you right away, but prolonged exposure is linked to serious health problems.
Maybe the workers don't have to work there if they don't want to get poisoned? By the same logic, you could say a chemical plant worker does not have to work at a particular plant if she wants to avoid exposure to a harmful toxin floating around in the air. Is that fair? No, it's not. That's why in the early 20th century American's began in earnest to make rules to regulate workplace safety. We are still not completely there. Look at Smithfield. Go in any smoke-filled restaurant...
The whole point of government-imposed workplace safety measures is so workers do not have choose between getting paid so they can feed their families and harming their health by working under unnecessarily dangerous conditions. You can't avoid some of the health risks of certain job (i.g. building bridges, being a soldier, working on fishing boats). But you can easily cut down on the health risks of being a restaurant worker. You ban smoking inside ALL workplaces.
Proud Progressive
I totally missed that point last night. You are so right. It does create an unsafe work environment.
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I'm Torn
I don't know if any candidates in North Carolina are advocating for such a thing--given our tobacco roots, I highly doubt it. After all, we just got the members of the General Assembly to give up smoking in the Legislative Office Buildings.
My time in DC, where there is a smoking ban, has made this idea more palpable to me than it was before.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
I read somewhere that Congress
actually voted to exempt themselves from the DC smoking ban, and set aside special "smoking rooms" for Reps and Sens.
So, if you're visiting Washington and start having a nicotine fit, you'll have to go to the Capitol Building if you want to spark one up. ;)
What rights?
You don't have the right to go to public places with a bottle of weed killer and spray its contents whereever the wind may carry them. You don't have the right to force food down other peoples' throats. You don't have the right to spike a common punch bowl. You don't have the right to swing your fist out wildly regardless of whose nose is proximate.
I don't care if people smoke. I do care if they make me smoke. They are making me smoke unless they are confining their toxic activities to their own cars or living rooms. (It's still surprising to me to notice how many folks are smoking in cars with rolled up windows and children in the back seat, but then, denial is an amazing quality.)
This concept that anyone has the "right" to smoke in places where other people are breathing is absurd.
Anyone who has read about particulates knows that the particulates from cigarette smoke settle in food, in water, on plates, on eating utensils -- whereever the smoke drifts. The idea of smoking sections is going to fade because it doesn't work and it isn't clean or safe.
I have to admit that despite my strong feelings when it comes to this concept of "rights" and smokers, I myself don't despise the very smell of it as I once did. This is because I fell very hard for a smoker and, inexplicably, put up with it in all kinds of venues (except my house or car).
Sometimes I even like the smell of a certain type mixed with a little salt air. (If I were to admit this to my father, I'm certain he would disown me). I have sometimes WISHED I smoked because I could see that it seemed to bring relief to people under stress.
But "right" to smoke where unwilling breathers are present? No. And don't give me that tired old argument about car exhaust. Sometimes a person MUST use a vehicle for certain essential tasks. You don't HAVE to smoke on me or that child in the aisle over.
lysol and body odor
Very interesting thought (bug spray).
In a very similar situation, people would get very upset if someone had body odor sitting in the restaurant. They would actually ask them to leave. Of course the body odor doesn't leave long lasting problems like the smoke does - ie: paint turns yellow, clothes of everyone smells. No on else has body odor just by being around someone that does. True it is unpleasant, but possibly less than a smoker.
would love to see the response of a smoker when the patrons next to them pull out lysol and spray around.
~~~The best way to calm an enemy is to make them want to be your friend- nick Zachetti~~~
lysol and body odor
Very interesting thought (bug spray).
In a very similar situation, people would get very upset if someone had body odor sitting in the restaurant. They would actually ask them to leave. Of course the body odor doesn't leave long lasting problems like the smoke does - ie: paint turns yellow, clothes of everyone smells. No on else has body odor just by being around someone that does. True it is unpleasant, but possibly less than a smoker.
would love to see the response of a smoker when the patrons next to them pull out lysol and spray around.
~~~The best way to calm an enemy is to make them want to be your friend- nick Zachetti~~~