Obama-Clinton Ticket

Now that the Presidential primary season is winding down after months and millions of votes cast, it’s now time to set our focus on November and winning back the Presidency.

Both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama have energized millions of new voters, and all of them are committed to seeing a Democrat in the White House in January.

Certainly, there has been a great deal of back-and-forth bickering between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton’s campaigns – and each candidate has millions of passionate supporters. But now it’s time for unity – and I believe the best way to unite the party is to unite the two strongest candidates our party has ever seen.

That’s why I support an Obama-Clinton ticket.

I hope you’ll join me by adding your voice to those calling for an Obama-Clinton ticket. You can add your signature at DraftObamaClinton.com.

The DraftObamaClinton.com web site gives regular citizens a way to weigh in on the VP selection process. Senator Obama has said he will have to make his vice presidential choice quickly after the primaries end this week.

Citizen involvement and grassroots organization is a cornerstone of Senator Obama’s campaign, and frankly, a foundation of our democracy. We’ve seen millions of new voters involved this campaign season. Their voices make a difference, and that’s what DraftObamaClinton.com is all about.

Our government works with the consent of the citizens, and the Presidential nominee chooses the vice president with the consent of the convention delegates. This site is a tool for letting party leaders, convention delegates and the candidates themselves know the extent of support for an Obama-Clinton ticket.

It’s about giving the citizens a voice in the vice presidential selection process, not just too party elites.

This is not some folly, such a petition has been successful before – in January 2004, “Citizens Consent” launched a draft Kerry-Edwards web site and collected over a hundred thousand signatures to an on-line petition. Months later, Senator John Kerry selected Edwards as his running mate.

With enough voices pushing for an Obama-Clinton ticket in November, we can make this happen. Take a page from history as a guide: Kennedy and Johnson, fierce rivals in the primary back in 1960.

DraftObamaClinton.com was launched by “Citizens Consent” - a grassroots organization dedicated to mobilizing citizens to participate more directly in our democracy - and not affiliated with any campaign.

I hope you will join me and sign the petition now at DraftObamaClinton.com – it only takes a few seconds to add your voice to the thousands that already have weighed in.

- Jim

Comments

If I recall...

That whole 1960 Presidency thing didn't turn out all that well.

Sorry Jim, can't back you on this one.

I've never been much of an LBJ fan,

but if you're referring to our being drawn into Vietnam, JFK paved the way for that long before he died. I doubt he would have allowed the level of escalation that Johnson was talked into, but the Vietnam War would have taken place regardless.

Not Vietnam..

Many historians say that was inevitable. I meant that whole Deeley Plaza thing.

Thanks Jim, I agree with you

and I signed the petition.

Too much has been made of the contention in this race and I can't think of one better way to heal the party.

Progressive Democrats of North Carolina

Progressives are the true conservatives.

Jim has it right

We had better wake up and smell the coffee.

It is the only way many of her supporters will stay in the party much less not stay home.

What we don't want to have here is a failure to communicate.

This is the same threat we heard from/about Obama supporters

Don't you remember that whole bit about how we will lose all these Obama supporters who are new to politics if he doesn't win the nomination as a result of superdelegate maneuvering?
It's always the same old threat and I'm surprised to see how many people still fall for it.

An Obama/Clinton ticket at this stage reeks of pandering and manipulation. Obama needs to show at this stage that he is calling the shots and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would believe that he sincerely wants Hillary on the ticket.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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It's a valid threat

It is a valid threat and, as with most threats, the fear of "what if" weighed against the risk of "what if" actually happening can be quite effective. It's akin to playing Chicken, Russian Roulette, Hostage Negotiation, Nuclear War, or plenty of other scenarios. One of the most effective tactics is to convince your opponent that you're just crazy enough (or macho enough, or cold enough, or irritated enough, or strong enough) to go all the way. You won't swerve your car, you'll keep pulling the trigger, you'll kill all of the hostages, or you'll press the button. Or the other effective method is to suggest, not that you're crazy, but that you've been left with no choice... you've removed the steering wheel and you CAN'T swerve, or your nukes are on automatic launch and even if you change your mind at the last minute, it's too late.

The question, in most of these cases, is "OK. You've got my attention. What is it that you want?" And that's generally where things fall apart.

In this case, we have a very large and important part of our party that has a tremendous amount of leverage. (As an aside, everyone wants to have the swing vote in politics. Michigan and Florida got us into this position because they wanted to be early and after they couldn't be early, they wanted to effectively be last.)

Yes, Obama wants and needs most, but not all, of Hillary's supporters. But, what is it that those supporters want? If there is no room for rational negotiation, there is no sense in negotiating.

Valid threat or not

I don't like being held hostage. I didn't like it when I heard it from Obama supporters and I don't like hearing it from Clinton supporters. I don't operate based on who is threatening me today. It isn't right and we shouldn't allow our party to operate based on which threat is the most valid. Instead of a party of individuals/factions/groups that all come together to work for the common good, we look like a bunch of screaming meemies all trying to be heard over the next person and only wanting what is best for our group/cause/candidate. If that is how this party and all its factions plans to operate, then we need to lose that whole "common good" thing. It's a sham.

I'm familiar with the game chicken and my response isn't usually one that generates a warm fuzzy feeling. I fall more along the lines of - stop playing games with me and tell me what the %*&# you want.



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I agree

I hear you and I agree. But that's the price we pay for being a party of coalitions. If you catch us with our pants down, you may very well see our fractures showing.

Now that's a visual

:D

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So let me get this straight

There are Clinton supporters prepared to hand the election to McCain by eitehr staying home of voting McCain because their candidate lost?

They want to outlaw birth control, Roe v Wade, tie us into Iraq for at least 12 more years and another few trillion dollars, finish destroying the economy by turning it over to Wall Street?

This is the price they are willing to pay for their personal ego?

What we have here is a failure to think.

Liberalism as a badge of honor!
No apologies, no excuses.

Liberalism as a badge of honor!
No apologies, no excuses.

That's what they say...

... and that's why I think it's akin to a game of Chicken. They'd rather crash the car (or, by not voting at all, simply allow it to drift wherever it goes), or push the red button than help Obama, assuming he is the nominee, get elected.

For some, it is an impassioned response. They are closer to the irrational actors that I described before. They're reading and willing to go all the way if they don't get their way. They believe, whether rightly or not, that they have been wronged and they have determined that Obama and the Democratic Party are responsible for that wrong.

For the rational actors, there will be some rationalizing... they've accepted that the car is going to crash, but they assume that they wouldn't get hurt in the head-on collision. They'll say, "McCain isn't that bad. He's a maverick. Four years of McCain can't be that bad. We'll have Congress and he won't be able to fill any Supreme Court positions or do anything to undermine the things in which we believe."

she isn't dropping out

She is dragging this out and diverting money and effort that should be used to defeat the Republicans. She should have dropped out weeks ago. We need to focus on November NOW.

"jump in where you can and hang on"
Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy

Jim, you lost me completely on this issue

Clinton is the most polarizing figure in the party and their is NO way she can get the VP slot. As I explained on another thread this is the worst idea since Kind Duncan invited the Macbeths over for dinner.

No sane president wants an VP who will undermine him at every turn. Also, the Clintons cannot survive the vetting process, they have too much baggage.

Liberalism as a badge of honor!
No apologies, no excuses.

Liberalism as a badge of honor!
No apologies, no excuses.

Inspiration

Obama inspires a LOT of people. McCain, since he sold out and moved to Panderville, inspires very few. Hillary inspires many for AND against her. Hillary becoming VP makes it more probable or even ensures she will one day be elected President. Don't think for a second that many Hillary-haters, including me, will see supporting Hillary for VP as a vote for her to become President in 4-8 years. Her negatives work against her, and in turn Obama, even if she is just running for VP.

Obama will be the first Democrat I have ever voted for in a Presidential race. I will vote for him enthusiastically. He is the right person at the right time and will change things for the better forever. Should he pick Hillary as a running mate, I will be disappointed in him and also find it hard to stomach voting "for" her. I will still vote for him, however. Will others? She is poison and needs to stay in the Senate representing New York where they seem to think she is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

(I Repeat) Worst. Idea. Ever.

No. No. No. No. No.

This would undermine Obama's whole narrative about what's wrong with Washington.

Just say no.
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

I don't know.

I hear what people are saying about party unity, and I understand. I see rabid Clinton supporters on the news (I haven't met any rabid ones in real life. I understand how it feels to be passionate about a candidate or a cause.

I am not sure that Hillary Clinton would be a good vice president. I believe she'd be more effective in a different leadership role, in the Senate, as majority leader perhaps, or as NY Gov. And I really mean more effective. I think Obama needs to look to someone without the history of antagonism and antipathy so that we can have a focused campaign against McCain. Clinton spent too much time praising McCain at Obama's expense to make her a believable Veep for him. It leaves too much open for Republicans.

And if by some chance her perfect storm still comes together, I will support her and vote for her.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Pointing at Naked Emperors

Clinton open to VP slot?

From CNN:

"Sen. Hillary Clinton on Tuesday told New York lawmakers she is open to being the running mate of Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, two of the lawmakers told CNN."

Not so crazy it seems. Her speech tonight should be interesting.

Too bad she doesn't decide who the VP post goes to.

n/t

Just because she's open to the idea...doesn't make it a good one



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Did anybody else hear Obama

praising Clinton, and stating (paraphrase), "Senator Clinton and I will be working together come November!"

:)

Don't freak out if it happens, folks...

Clinton will be majority leader.

Harry Reid once promised her the post if she didn't run. I'm betting Obama gets Reid to step aside or to promise to step aside and Hillary will be leading the Senate. Our country will be run by an African-American man and two women (Pelosi, Clinton).

Imagine that.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

That put a smile on my face

and gooseybumps on my arms. :-D

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Great. Then the friggin' toilet seats will always be

down on Capitol Hill. And woe unto he who leaves them otherwise. :)

Person County Democrats

HA!

Don't worry. You'll always have the urinals. ;)

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Lets respect Obama

He assembled a fantastic team that orchestrated his campaign in the primaries. His PR work, his instincts, his leadership , his communication style.

He had attacks on two sides, he valiantly fought down the right.

I say that Barack Obama's wise team will select whom they wish.
I personally see the Clintons as causing us to suffer eight years of Bush. I do not think they are an asset, but I am not an expert.
lets respect Barack Obama and not try to tell him what to do.

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