On the record: Talk to the Dome

Ryan Beckwith, master of ceremonies at Under the Dome, wants to hear from folks at BlueNC about your experiences here. I've invited him to use this thread to ask his questions, and to get your answers. His first question:

How would you describe BlueNC to a friend?

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A liberal group blog?

I've used those words to describe BlueNC in the past. Would you have a different description?

— RTB

The term "liberal" has been

subjected to so much negative exposure over the years people (on either side) no longer really know what it means. In a political context, it's supposed to mean simply "open-minded" as opposed to the conservative "closed-minded". But that's not a fair exchange, is it?

Thanks to common (mis)usage, the term has come to represent "a naive person who places little value on hard work and constantly seeks methods to redistribute wealth from solid citizens to lazy layabouts."

If you want a better description of BlueNC (and I think you need one), try this:

BlueNC is a community-driven website that promotes progressive values and policies in North Carolina.

The term "progressive" is not merely a replacement for the now-soured "liberal", it's unique and has actually been around for quite a while.

Basically, it's an opinion that situations rarely improve on their own without some form of "action step" by concerned parties. This often does take the form of efforts to aid the less fortunate, but that's not the main "goal" of being a progressive.

As far as what I tell people about BlueNC, it usually ends up being, "You should check it out; we're doing some really cool stuff!"

:)

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A communist blog? Not really! They meet on Friday's at Taco Bell

A liberal group blog?
*The Legion of Dome
I've used those words to describe BlueNC in the past. Would you have a different description?

— RTB

Depending the Generic establishment term. Maybe? Blue NC is more like a information site that covers both sides of the political battlefield. It has grown with amazing speed in the past 2 years with many viewers from both sides and of course with the candiates poping him. It has change the political landscrape of North Carolina. Candiates have been born here in real time and made major impact in the political system. The major trick at this site is it's open policy and it's wonderful folks who post here. James and Betty and the other hosts here do not lie and try to give a fair shake to others with diffent political opinions which is great for democracy. It might get nasty at times, but one thing this site and it's host have in common, is that they care and love their country and state for the good. I salute them for giving it a shot to expand the political knowledge in this age of the internet and real information not being control by some power control freaks....

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BlueNC is, to me,

a meeting place to brainstorm about how to bring about positive alterations to the political discourse in our Cities, Counties, our State and our Country.

We are a very diversified group of persons from many different backgrounds with very diverse life experiences as well as many of the same experiences.
Some are born and raised here in North Carolina, some have found their way here to this beautiful State due to work, school, spouses or just because they love it here and want to live here.

Blue NC is a community gathering place for sharing ideas, taking on the tough issues and having a lot of fun while doing so.

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

Ryan, I usually call BlueNC

a political community blog. We do have some moderate/conservative Dems and a Republican or two who stop by for civil discussions. Progressive community blog would be the most accurate description for the most people.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

I would call it a progressive blog community.

Semantics, I suppose, but we combine blogging with online community-building. That online community building often leads to off-line activism. (I think.)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Three-word definitions

Hmm. I have always tried to keep my definitions to three words (so that I can use them as compound adjectives without trouble...) But you raise an interesting question: How do you differentiate "liberal" from "progressive"?

— RTB

I don't differentiate.

Personally, I prefer liberal, but I find that most of my compatriots use progressive, so that's what I used.

The reason I used both blogging and community is that BlueNC is both. It's not just a journalistic blog where information is given and discussed, like you have at Under The Dome, or Capitol Beat. We have a community hear of people who are like minded and mostly enjoy each other's company. We plan offline get togethers - you should come on April 27, by the way. We ramble and discuss personal issues as well as politics. So BlueNC is both a blogging site and an online community, at least as I see it.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Linda

Since you're the only one not at lunch right now, I'll move onto another thread.

Who are you?

James told me you're one of the seven bloggers with front-page privileges. How did you end up doing that? What is your day job? What are your major causes.

If you would rather talk offline, e-mail your phone number to rbeckwit@newsobserver.com.

Thanks!

— RTB

Robert P.'s picture

I just got done doing a project, but have to leave in a minute.

My disorganized thoughts:

BlueNC is more than the new diner, the new coffee shop, the new barber shop. It's a place people come to everyday to chat with friends and colleagues. Sometimes it is casual, sometimes it is heated, but it is always informative.

There is no filter at BlueNC, which is good and bad. We've all sat through meetings with people who seem to have no internal filtering system, but the nice thing about a blog is you can mostly ignore these people.

Having been here since nearly the beginning, I think the thing that has been most exciting has been getting to "know" people from throughout the state. From Screwy Hoolie (Gordon) and the gang in Asheville, to Thomas Brock and others out on the beach. We've got people from all walks of life, from former military officers to students. There isn't any coffee shop that will attract that sort of crowd.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

I had to go to an appointment, Ryan, sorry.

I'll email you.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Robert P.'s picture

Liberal vs. Progressive

My personal viewpoint is that progressive has a little more libertarian than liberal. Also, I think it is a generational thing, with liberals today being from all walks of life and not wanting to fall into the "damn hippie" category. As some of the conversations on this blog show, Progressives can be downright liberal about one topic (NO OLF) and pretty conservative on another (Death Penalty). Granted, most of us fall on the liberal side of BOTH those issues, but maybe not on other issues like gun control or universal health care.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

liberal vs. progressive

I've thought about this a lot. And obviously by the responses here, progressive means very different things to different people. But the thing you notice is that most people want to be known as progressive rather than liberal. I think the reason is that liberal can easily have negative connotations with regard to political issues. As in, 'loose'. Loose with money, loose with social mores, etc. Then combine it with the old 'bleeding heart' liberal and you get the common right-wing cariacture developed over the last 40 years.

Progressive on the other hand is much harder to disparage. You can't really put the same level of disdain behind the term 'progressive'. Because what's the opposite of progressive? Regressive! Which is (almost) always a negative term.

It also fits in better with the mindset of Americans who tend to be forward-looking and do not have a very long history to draw upon. Americans want to progress to something better and their exceptionalism with regard to America further emphasizes this need to "progress".

So, yes I call myself a progressive for political expediancy. But I also prefer it to liberal because in the traditional sense I don't think there's all that much liberalizing left to do in this country (save gay marriage). So it's kind of a vestigial political philosophy in that regard. And getting back to those ideas of liberal as 'loose' or 'free', there are terms that use liberal that in fact are very conservative in their outlook (i.e. neo-liberal economics which is a substitute for laissez-faire capitalism).

My thoughts exactly

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funluvn's picture

Slightly OT, but on my ride from Greensboro to Sanford

this morning, on 101.1 FM WZTK - The Brad and Britt Show, they mentioned the BlueNC Governor Debate. It was in passing, but non the less...

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

Robert P.'s picture

That's great to know.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Being discussed at the Dome as well

You can find it here.

Make sure you read the comments, because there's one from a person who has apparently been offended by our (my) offensiveness in our earlier days. When Ryan asked me whether I regretted my many rants, I said I regretted all of them. Which is true. I really do wish I could have found another way to interrupt "business as usual" in North Carolina politics.

I'm working very hard to tone it down, but some people simply don't deserve even a modicum of respect, in my opinion.

Robert P.'s picture

R-rated?

The person who thinks BlueNC is R-rated obviously doesn't watch the CSI/Law & Order/Reality shows that pass as PG these days.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

The don't have the asterisked f words on those shows.

We do. But I don't think we should change. F**k 'em.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Now I've done it.

I guess I'll hear more than my fair share of dog jokes.

Brunette's picture

No, no, no, James

There's no such thing as a "fair share" of dog jokes.

You get as many as you possibly can and don't worry about who isn't getting his.

It's a dog-eat-dog world, you know.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Graig's picture

A Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy

Does that get in under the 3 word rule? I'm hoping you're not counting articles and hyphenated words count as one not two...

In truth, I usually say BlueNC is a left-wing political blog. Most people don't know enough about different types of blogs to find the descriptor "group blog" useful.

On the topic of liberal vs. progressive - I think we get to choose which one we want to call ourselves, but the generally understood meanings of each are pretty much the same. So if someone calls me one or the other, I don't really care which. I feel the same about BlueNC.

It's our only hope for survival...

"I'm the key figure in an ongoing government charade, the plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy, actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, that reaches down into the lives of every man, woman, and child on this planet, so, of course, no one believes me. I'm an annoyance to my superiors, a joke to my peers. They call me Spooky. Spooky Mulder, whose sister was abducted by aliens when he was just a kid and who now chases after little green men with a badge and a gun, shouting to the heavens or to anyone who will listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling and when it hits it's gonna be the shit-storm of all time."

This is why Mulder must be kept at a two drink maximum.

Brunette's picture

I like it.

I've always wanted to belong to a vast left-wing conspiracy.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Leslie H's picture

I recently told a friend

that blueNC is my favorite place to get state and local political news. That's a really simplistic view, but anything deeper would have sounded odd to someone who's just not at all into discussing local and state political policy for hours on end.

Besides all the amazingly smart, balanced, smart, active, smart people who use this blog to think out loud, to have important policy discussions in front of God and everybody, to sound the alarm when regular North Carolinians are being railroaded by powerful interests, to report on political events they attend, etc., etc., etc., blueNC is just a great news source for state politics ... for anybody, not just us'uns in the vast left-wing conspriacy. ;)

How you get your news

OK, next question:

How has BlueNC changed the way you get political news? Where did you previously learn about candidates, campaign events, etc.?

— RTB

loftT's picture

The trouble is I didn't get any political news

before BlueNC. I hated state politics because I didn't know anything about them. This year is so, so different. It's amazing to have a direct connection with so many of the candidates and their supporters who blog here.

I used to subscribe to three newspapers

Way back when. The N&O, the Chapel Hill News, the New York Times. Now it's down to the Times. Plus I pick up the Independent whenever I'm out, which isn't often.

Five years ago, I tried really hard to be informed about what was happening, but it was difficult to get second-order insights. The N&O is clearly the political newspaper of record in the state, but even after scouring it every day, I couldn't get the knowledge I get from the blogs I read daily.

I used to get my news from the typical media sources.

At times I do my best to go directly to the source so I can report the news. Other times, I use what the CharO, N&O and television stations report as a springboard for further research. I check many more sources for news than I used to.

BrianR's picture

Liberal vs Progressive

I asked George Lakoff about this when he was in Raleigh recently. My Q: "Why do you use the word progressive instead of liberal?" He is a linguist after all...

He said, [paraphrase] "So and So did some polls on the word liberal. We discovered it would be very expensive to realign the word in a positive light. So we stuck with progressive."

I took this to mean that conservatives had damaged the term Liberal so bad that it wasn't worth saving. They did this by framing it in the opposite way it was originally defined. When we participate in this conservative frame, by not using the word liberal in a positive way, we let them win. A great example of the Rove spin machine.

It seems that many Democrats aren't comfortable with being called a Liberal. Because they buy into the conservative frame. Problem is the Dem base is constructed of many self described liberals both old and young. I vote for Liberal Dems and am just fine with being called Liberal, Commie, Pinko, Leftist, etc. I'll wear the description of Liberal with pride!

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that's fine if you don't think words matter

The willingness of otherwise hard working activists to portray themselves in a negative light surprises me.

What positive do you get by being "fine with being called Liberal, Commie, Pinko, Leftist, etc."?

Self-representation is not change. When people assert their right to define themselves as "pinko" (or whatever), they usually mean to say that they won't allow themselves or their ideals to be red-baited. That's great and all, but it's not about you, it's about persuading a large majority of your neighbors. You'll have an easier time if you deign to speak their language.

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McCain - The Third Bush Term

Sam Spencer's picture

I've always been the "actions speak louder than words" sort

Some of my friends got together and started a blog about technology and change. IT is pretty good.

Jerimee's picture

:P

speak softly and carry a big stick?

My point is, there is no inherent value in doing things the hard way. If you've got something that needs to get done (help workers, improve housing, fix the environment) you need to be able to convince other folks to pitch in. That's not a trivial task, and I would hope there would be some effort put into it.

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McCain - The Third Bush Term

J.Levi.Knapp's picture

Jerimee that's an excellent

Jerimee that's an excellent point, how we self-identify is in direct relation to how we project ourselves. People shut down immediately when they hear words like "liberal". Certainly I've learned a valuable lesson in my first 3 weeks in North Carolina and that's that Christian doesn't have all of the negative connotations that the idea of organized religion conjured in my mind a month ago. That's because before coming here I hadn't really met any self-identified Christians that shared my ideologies.
I really love the word progressive. As an adjective it is empowering, it lends itself to the of moving forward. Its positive and affirming.
J. Levi Knapp

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
William James (1842 - 1910

Brunette's picture

It hasn't changed

BLUENC has not changed the way I gather/garner/glean political news.

It's just part of the conversation. Sometimes what passes for news here on BLUENC is no more intelligent or reliable than the pablum from CNN; sometimes there's a glimmer of something worth mining.

But I don't turn to BLUENC for news. I turn to this blog for conversation about the news.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

J.Levi.Knapp's picture

I agree. I don't think its a

I agree. I don't think its a good idea to rely on any one outlet for news. However, I love reading/watching the news and then being able to come with like-minded and more intelligent people than myself to read about their takes on the issues. Many times my gut reaction to blurbs are so one-sided and for me, I feel like I need to get input from others who may have different interpretations of what's going on. That's why I like it here.
J. Levi Knapp

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
William James (1842 - 1910)

I like to describe BlueNC

as the early day soap box. I envision what it was like to stand under "the posting tree" and discuss what ever issue you had passion for. Folks would come and listen and walk away thinking about and possibly acting on what the speaker on the soap box said.

Back then, the country did not have 300,000,000 people. Getting your word out required you to go to many posting trees to discuss your ideas.

BlueNC is the new soap box. The other nice thing about BlueNC posters is they look up their facts and post them along with their opinion or thoughts of what the facts say to them.

So BlueNC is a tie-in to the old fashion way of communicating and getting our ideas (political as well as non-political views) to the public with the modern era of computers and instant information. It is a place for folks to come to learn even more about issues that effect our State.

I love the "soap box"ness of this site, the down to earth old fashion feel and flavor. How at any time you can hear someone else talking on their soap box. And folks sometimes actually listen to what I say! Thats even better!

We always listen to what Parmea says.

:)

Next question

What role do you see BlueNC playing the political process?

Are you political advocates? Parajournalists? Party organizers? Or are you more like an interest group?

Specifically, how do you relate to the Democratic Party?

— RTB

Robert P.'s picture

I've mentioned this before.

I was talking with a campaign consultant (who is a lurker here, so Hi!) who said that blogs have little impact on voters. After all, we're only talking about 3000 or 4000 unique individuals per week, many of whom are just keeping tabs on what we say.

My response to him was that BlueNC is more than that. Nearly every person on BlueNC is an activist, which means that we are social focal points. We're precinct chairs, county leadership, non-profit leaders, fundraisers. We talk about politics outside the blogs, a lot! The blog allows us to be well-informed about different candidates/issues/opposition members in a way that we weren't before. If the Iraq war vote happened now you would have millions of people getting information about how bogus it was from the blogs around the world, compared to the thousands back in 2002/2003.

I think that is why campaigns, candidates, and non-profits come here to post. Not because of the 4000 people they reach directly, but because of the large number of people they reach indirectly. I can tell you that a lot of people in Chapel Hill know who Dan Besse is because of my emails/conversations with them, and I wouldn't know/care about him at all if it hadn't been for his online support.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Next Answers

What role do you see BlueNC playing the political process?

BlueNC plays different roles for different people at different times. How helpful is that? It's like a giant town hall. Sometimes there are meetings. Sometimes there are quiet conversations. Sometimes there are speeches/reports. Sometimes - there are revolutions planned. There is a lot of self expression going on, and a lot of ideas being worked on and worked out here.

Are you political advocates?

In my judgment, yes, most of us are. Just not for the same cause.

Parajournalists?

I don't like that term at all. It sounds derogatory. Some of the bloggers here put as much work into their posts as you do into your stories, and are as serious about getting their sources right as you are. Betsy Muse and Greg Flynn come immediately to mind. You can trust the work they do to be accurate and every source to be checked down to finest detail. They're just not paid for it. Citizen journalist is how some people call it. I don't claim that term myself. I am a sometime blogger.

Party organizers?

Some people who post here are also party organizers. But this is not a party organizing site.

Or are you more like an interest group?

No, I don't think so. There are too many diversified interests to call it that.

Specifically, how do you relate to the Democratic Party?

I think BlueNC has a love-hate relationship with the Democratic Party. Although many of us are Democrats, you will often see complaints or rants about the Democratic Party on BlueNC. We are not the blogging arm of the NCDP, and nothing that is posted here is official Democratic dogma. There are members of BlueNC who are not Democrats. As a matter of fact, I think there might be a Republican or two hang around.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

No offense

No offense meant with the term "parajournalists."

Just trying to figure out how to distinguish freelance reporters from staff writers from people who work for free.

— RTB

None taken.

The preferred term is "citizen journalist". I'm just cranky today, and tend to rant when I'm cranky - and when I'm not.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Brunette's picture

You have to watch out for those Scrubbing Bubbles, Linda

Take it from one with recent experience.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

You know, I think the fumes from your place must have drifted.

Because I don't use scrubbing bubbles. :)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Brunette's picture

Wages of sin

I actually hesitated to mention the product because I didn't want to admit using it, but this was an EMERGENCY! In fact, I had to go beyond that and hit the tiles with this other stuff that is so ferocious I held my breath applying it and then fled the scene. It's what I get for neglecting an unused room for a year or so and then having to get it suddenly fixed up for a guest. Vinegar and water wasn't gonna get it done.

Anyway, dagnabbit, I was hoping I'd get away with blaming my wickedness on the toxic stuff -- and then have some way of conveying that -- honest to goodness -- I know it's bad to have this stuff in my house!

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Awkward phrasing

I've always thought "citizen journalist" is a weird term, too.

I mean, what am I supposed to be? A foreign national?

I think it's supposed to be a way of avoiding the word "amateur" which sounds derogatory, but it's not the mot juste either.

— RTB

You're right!

Why don't we just go with blogger? That works, doesn't it? It works for what we do online, even what you do at Under The Dome, and then you still get to be a Citizen, which is only fair.

My other idea was Super Genius, but I understand that's already been taken.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Brunette's picture

labels

do matter. I'm ok with "blogger," rather than something that incorporates the word "journalist."

The question of who/what a journalist is is not unimportant, since there are advocates for the idea of passing a law that would confer some immunity to "journalists" for preserving confidentiality of sources. The difficulty of defining who gets to call him or herself a journalist is part of what makes the drafting (not to mention enforcement) of such a law problematic.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I have a degree in journalism

I want to be called a journalist. I worked multiple jobs to get that degree dangit. I'm not asking to be paid, though. :D

CNN uses Citizen Journalist

....not that I think CNN is the bees knees.

Brunette's picture

Well there ya go

Would you think, given what you know about journalism, that half the folks you see blogging are entitled to use that word with reference to what they are producing online?

And again, CNN lost credibility with me a long, long time ago. Given what I've heard coming out of the mouths of their "anchors," I don't think that the concept of journalism is all that important to them.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

No......not half

but I'm not sure that half of the folks writing for newspapers can really lay claim to the title. :D Seriously, there are some bloggers out there who are journalists. Their thought process, research, level of integrity - it's real journalism. I would much rather write a blog post. I can get away with ........... and - this - and :D.

CNN is an entertainment channel and they pretty much stink at that too.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

A Complaint

Some of the bloggers here put as much work into their posts as you do into your stories, and are as serious about getting their sources right as you are. Betsy Muse and Greg Flynn come immediately to mind. You can trust the work they do to be accurate and every source to be checked down to finest detail.

They and others do TOO good of a job with their blogs. They set the standard so high that it is hard to come close. I've pondered many a topic to start and have even started typing some, but doing even half the job they do requires hours of work. It is getting hard enough to just keep caught up with the "track changes" page, much less starting a BlueNC-worthy blog topic...

Robert P.'s picture

I'm here for you.

I go out of my way to try and lower that bar back to "blogger" status. I make keeping up with the Joneses much more easy!

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Brunette's picture

Counter complaint

I am not trying to take away from any participant's prowess at the keyboard when I say that I see comparatively little that resembles journalism on this blog.

And, of course, that's not what I'm looking for when I come to this one. That is, I expect RTB to be a journalist and for his blog to reflect that. Same with Laura Leslie. This one? No, this isn't journalism. This is lots and lots of opinion, occasionally a well written essay, sometimes some nonsense (ok, there's often nonsense), sometimes hot new information, sometimes rumors, and often just coffee-houes conversation.

It goes without saying, but I do want to say it anyway, that what makes this blog better than a lot of its type is the vigilance of its hosts: James, Betsy, Robert P., Greg (and those I've forgotten) when it comes to quality control, flaming temperance (i.e. scolding), and technical support.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

It's actually been quite some time since we've had something

resembling journalism, to be honest. It's been flying so fast and furious that it's difficult to keep up, let alone set aside time to actually write.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

your kinda right about journalists

they have to write stories.

To often the stories are biased in a direction. That is not journalism.

When folks can label a news organization as liberal or conservative, that news organization failed to be objective. They are a tabloid and the writers are just hack novelette writers.

One has to read two stories of the same political event to get what really happened, then you can make an objective assessment of the event.

Only problem with this is most people do not have the time to read two different articles of the same event. For one thing, many of the events are not covered with any kind of objectivity by the other side. Two, the same side is soooooo sugar coating the event.

Where is objective news writing.....Yes, I know, if you write objectively, no one would read it and to much of the masses do not have a clue what they are reading anyways. They want to be spoon fed.

Hell, most will not read past the headlines anyways, if they can even do that. Bitter, bitter, bitter. I know.

But wait, what is happening with spears and hilton, NOW thats news.....stupid freaking people.

Awww.......

but I know what you mean. I have something I've been working on for two weeks. More tables and maps and...well...you'll see....I want to get it right, so it's taking forever.

If I had to sum it up in one word,

What role do you see BlueNC playing the political process?

I would choose "access" to describe our role.

Candidates have access to the forum to promote themselves and their ideals; normal, every-day citizens have access to those candidates through the forum; readers have access to a (sometimes) unique interpretation of political news and how it may impact their future, etc.

The exchange of ideas is often hindered by a lack of access, and I can only assume that providing a remedy for that is one of the steps toward better government.

Are you political advocates? Parajournalists? Party organizers? Or are you more like an interest group?

I think you'd find elements of all of the above, except...I haven't jumped out of airplanes in several years, and I'm not really sure if that's the best way to get a story. I mean, I'll do it, but if I have to dodge power lines, asphalt, ponds or trees, there better be a damned good story waiting. :)

Ryan, BlueNC is an information hub

We provide research, news and information you can't find in the traditional media. We have found that many of our community members are Democratic activists who aren't attached to a single cause. We are looking for issues and candidates to support. At BlueNC those issues and candidates sometimes find us first.

We are advocates, journalists and organizers, but I don't think of BlueNC as an interest group. I want the Democratic Party and our candidates to listen to us, but I'm not sure I want to bend them to our will.

Greg is amazing at research and has put together very impressive posts and information campaigns. I enjoy research as well. My degree is in journalism and I like to think that on my more thoughtful, fully researched pieces I have taken a professional approach. I think that's true of a lot of our community members. We don't have editors, researchers or anyone else on staff to check facts, spelling and grammar before we publish. After we publish, it's an entirely different story. We'll find out pretty quickly if we got something wrong.

I have no problems openly criticizing the Democratic Party or its leadership. I still don't think there is enough transparency. I happen to like Jerry Meek and I think he's done a lot for Democrats, but I also have my differences with him and I'm not shy about letting him know. I think most of us feel this way. Jerimee Richir works for the NCDP and in his off hours he has volunteered to help me with the technical issues at BlueNC that are over my head. Still, he does not get everything he writes placed on the front page and we aren't any easier on Democratic candidates, Jerry Meek or the NCDP because he is around. We're very sensitive about the fact that we are not part of the NCDP and we don't want any confusion there. Jerimee has to walk a fine line and he is wonderful at it. We all appreciate his help here.

And that, my friends, is why I pointed to Betsy and called her a

journalist in the first place.

Very well said, my friend. You have summed it all up amazingly well.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Thank you, Dear!



Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

J.Levi.Knapp's picture

Blogs as part of the politcal process

I think I am very fortunate that I get to work in politics all the time. Having worked in Iowa on Chris Dodd's campaign, then working in Reno, NV for their state party helping to organize their caucuses, and now here in Winston-Salem working for the Roy Carter for congress campaign.
I think we are learning in this cycle that the internet us a huge tool that is effecting the way we disseminate information, gain support on wedge issues, and raise money.
I really liked that comment above somewhere about BlueNC being a 'soapbox'. I think that's really a great analogy. Really that's what it is. Its a way for people's voices to get heard. There is no vetting process. You're allowed to just write, be corrected, get more information from the people that comment.
The people that post here, read and comment here are really great. I am impressed by the caliber of thought that comes in an out. The gentleman earlier who wrote about the bar being set too high had a point. I think its a bit scary to start, but once you do, I don't know that writing styles matter all that much.
I know I get better responses to personally invested blogs that I write than I do for the well crafted campaign blogs that I post.
I do both, because I am not just part of a political machine, I am a real guy who writes for the campaigns I believe in and once in awhile want to editorialize as myself.
I think the blogosphere has a tremendous impact on the way public opinion is being shaped, I hope it is able to elevate to also have a major role in how public policy is formed as well.

J. Levi Knapp

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
William James (1842 - 1910)

BlueNC highlight reel

I mentioned some of the milestones of BlueNC on my blog post. But what would you say are the moments that stand out in the past two years?

— RTB

Robert P.'s picture

Elizabeth Edwards was a big coup.

In fact, I think we were all a little star-struck at the time.

Getting Larry Kissell onto the netroots fundraising page was a big deal.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Blue South's picture

Elizabeth and Jerry

Jerry asking for suggestions on a challenger to Dole sticks in my mind.

"Keep the Faith"

There are several that stand out

The entire Larry Kissell netroots campaign. We fought like crazy. Larry was initially left off of the Netroots fundraising page even though he had the most support on the nomination thread at MyDD. A day or so later Kos and the boys had a change of heart and added a few more candidates who had tremendous grassroots support. (I can provide links later if you need them.)

Not many people will remember this one, because we were only about 3 months old, but I wrote a piece about Elizabeth Dole and an NRSC fundraising scheme. It went viral on Kos, Eschaton/Atrios, MyDD and the traffic just about brought BlueNC to its knees. I don't remember us going down, but it was tiring keeping up with all the comments at the different sites.

The BlueNC Women getting together to tour Seagrove, buy pottery and meet with Rep. Brad Miller for lunch at the Jugtown Cafe in February 2007.

There are so many fun times, it's hard to list them all. heh

Leslie H's picture

the No OLF

series sticks out in my mind as a milestone. Lots of great work by good people.

Chime!

a sheepish hand wave and now ducks and hides.

Lots of folks worked on this...Loved that we got buses to come to Washington County!

The OLF grannies....love the ladies!

Frank Eaton's picture

For those of us creating content for campaigns

BlueNC is invaluable-- invaluable -- in reaching an actively engaged, progressive voting audience.

The workshop function of this forum is not always played up; but especially early on in the primary season, BlueNC is an all-purpose proving grounds for nascent message and media campaigns.

What will work? What will people respond to? What will turn people off in terms of tone and content?

BlueNC is simply the best place in existence (as of press time) to gather that feedback.

Is it a bubble? Is it an echo-chamber? Is it unrepresentative of the whole of the democratic primary voting population? Probably. But I think we all factor that in when the time comes to make projections about the wider electoral actions of the state as a whole.

It's easy to forget that we're but a sliver of the population...but then the latest PPP tracking poll comes out and we're reminded that there are a lot of other people out there it would be wise for us blog nerds not to forget!

J.Levi.Knapp's picture

I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more.

Pam Spaulding's picture

I call BlueNC...

North Carolina's state community blog. Isn't that grand!

Seriously, since my blog focuses on LGBT issues primarily on a national level, I come here to read about what's going on politically on other topics in my state so I can be well-informed. I post diaries here that I believe will be of interest to my fellow North Carolinians on issues that are relevant and on my radar that affect LGBT Tar Heels. It's a great forum.

The fact that so many elected officials and candidates at all levels of state and local government realize the value of coming here to write diaries and participate in liveblogs and debates is testimony of the emerging influence and importance of this online town hall.

I don't take any newspapers anymore -- I grab all of my news online these days.

--
Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend
www.pamshouseblend.com

my late, from-the-beach view

Blue NC is the place where I have learned almost all I know about NC politics. I came to NC in 96, but have lived a quiet,uninvolved life except for my son's activities. I read the N&O but did not subscribe, got the Chapel Hill News in the driveway for free, and grew angry about the Bush years. Around 2004 I found Daily Kos, and began to live there for news, opinions, and made friends, too. some year and 37 weeks ago(my page here tells me) I found BlueNC and started to learn more about the state issues in the way I learned from Daily Kos. I showed up at a fundraiser for Larry Kissell's first campaign at James' home and realized these were people I wanted to get to know more. Same with Jim Neal - I did nothing but vote to get someone in the Senate here, and now I volunteer. Live blogs have cut through the layers to bring people in real contact with candidates, to have a chance to ask questions about the issues that matter to me and my life. How it makes a difference is that I often tell my neighbors, son's teachers, etc. about things that I learn on the blogs. I have sent a little financial support to candidates outside my district(like Larry Kissell) and even out of state candidates I learned about on blogs.

I feel more personally invested in what happens than I did before - when I was so frustrated I was checking opportunities to teach English in China. It is pretty dismal when one's "safe country" is China.

I still study Chinese on weekends, but now think of ways to do political outreach to my Chinese friends who can vote.

BlueNC's relationship to other blogs

What is BlueNC's relationship to other blogs in North Carolina? At the national level?

— RTB

That's a tough one.

Most of the other blogs that I read are NC blogs, or have NC authors, and I learned about them here. My favorites are Isaac Hunter's Tavern, Pam's House Blend, Capital Beat, and of course the Dome. I also enjoy the ones from our local news paper, The Pilot, especially Progressive Discussions, and Editor's Note.

But those are just the ones I read. As to our relationship to other blogs, it's probably a symbiotic one - we feed off of each other at times. If there is a diary/article of national interest, it's usually cross-posted at The Big Orange Satan, but I try to stay away from there. It's just too much of a time-destroyer for me.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Our relationship with other blogs changes each year/cycle

We don't have a blogroll and at different times we've made an effort to search out other NC blogs. I created a search feature through Google of NC blogs so when we are writing about a topic we could see what others in NC are saying about our topic, but nobody used it. We encourage bloggers to cross-post from their own sites so we can get to know other NC bloggers.

The national blogs have come in handy. They're a little tough now during primary season, but last cycle we helped Larry Kissell raise a lot of money through the national netroots. We are part of the 50 state blog network and our roundup on Fridays is posted at Open Left and MyDD. Jerome Armstrong at MyDD put out an offer to our front page writers for one of us to write on their front page until after the May primary. I was first to respond, so I got honors. My first piece will go up on Saturday.

In 2006 or early 2007 Chris Bowers said he thought the future of blogging would be on the state level. I think he's right. We won't get as big as the national blogs, but we can provide a similar blogging experience (only better?) on a smaller scale.

I would love to tell you more about the 50 state blog network. There are some great writers/bloggers/political nuts out there. I'm tired and I have to drive to the beach tomorrow, so I will have to tell you on Saturday.

Great questions, Ryan.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

momoaizo's picture

BlueNC is the first place I come for NC Political news

This is where I start, but following the links provided in the articles or comments, I visit the other local blogs Linda noted.

BlueNC is not made up of paid consultants or policy makers, instead it is We The People. This is the place where I have learned more about politics than any civic class and been encouraged to make the difference I wanted to see.

This is not just a place for candidates to come and announce their campaign for office or for a legislator to come and have conversations with the people, it is much more important than that....BlueNC is The People's Think Tank!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Progressive Discussions

Frank Eaton's picture

There is no RedNC

This blog is a testament to the power of ideas in this wing of the Democratic party. Quite often, it's a great place to argue with people you agree wholeheartedly with; other folks who aren't afraid to float ideas, to appear wrong, to steel their opinions in the forge of debate.

The fact is, our conservative counterparts haven't developed a RedNC equivalent. There are conservative blogs, but truly, nothing like this.

I guess it's just easier to sit quietly and flip between Rush and "Focus on the Family".

Why is there no RedNC?

I posed that question to one conservative blogger. Here's his response. What do you guys think about that?

— RTB

I don't want to sound too harsh here, but

That's one reason he thinks there is no statewide conservative equivalent, since North Carolina's Republicans already get their fill at sites like Townhall, Redstate and Free Republic.

this doesn't represent a whole lot of "independent thinking" or a very deep concern for North Carolina-related issues. I'm trying not to broad-brush with that, but that was the first thing that crossed my mind when I read that.

Then again, voicing a (public) opinion on something important can be considered to meet the minimum requirements for being "radical", which many true conservatives have little taste for.

You also have to consider that when one group aspires to bring about change while another believes change will happen on its own (if it's really needed), that first group is going to be a lot more vocal than the second.

That's...the nice version. I'm keeping the more sinister version to myself (for now), because it's Friday, and I'm swimming with a school of endorphins today. :)

Leslie H's picture

I'm not sure that's a logical assessment

unless Mr. Raupe is unaware of national progressive blogs like DailyKos, MyDD, Digby, etc. They were all around looong before blueNC and haven't stiffled the growth of state focused progressive blogs.

Also, one just cannot compare the fast free flowing open conversation that happens here at blueNC (and the national progressive blogs) with the tightly controlled conservative blogs like redstate, lgf, etc.

Then again ... I wonder how much the ability to read, think, analyze and type at an amazingly rapid rate has to do with the difference in participation. I don't mean to cast dispersions on others so much as to complement the front pagers and others who are very active and prolific here and on national progressive blogs.

Seriously ... it takes some extraordinary above average brain power to do this day in and day out AND hold down a regular job. ... which, come to think of it, is mostly why I go silent for periods of time. I can usually swing in quick to read easy enough, but when the stress or work level goes up in my 9-5, my bloggy self has to shut up so I can get done what needs doing here in the real world. I personally have definite intellectual limits that some folks here just do not have. So, maybe that's a factor elsewhere? I'm just sayin' ...

With this OLF fight

I wanted to go were people were talking and discussing issues. I wanted a state level platform, not a national.

I was/aim naive regarding politics and the behind the scenes stuff many of you guys do. However, James and Co. accepted my information and encouraged me to write.

I also went looking for a GOP site. What the heck, BlueNC is mainly for Blue minded folks? Yea, there be lurkers or indies out there. But the bloggers are by and large Dem. Figured I needed to contact the other side and what GOPer is going to agree to something found on BlueNC. So I wanted to find a red site that I could use to educate the rest of the folks.

The few GOP sites I found were just posting by the author and NO responses. Could not get a response. I doubt that if you wrote anything negative about any rebub, no one would write a comment about it.

What I got out of those sites was the GOP feeds information and people just regurgitate it. They hit the "I believe" button and go on with life.

I like posting at BlueNC because people read AND make comments. Sometimes it goes contrary to what you thought. This enables rethinking and or refining or even redefining your intentions. At the red sites. No feed back... I did not put any time into those sites. They are stagnant.

Me, too Parmea

I like posting at BlueNC because people read AND make comments. Sometimes it goes contrary to what you thought. This enables rethinking and or refining or even redefining your intentions

I have learned so much about myself from reading what other people think.

Be the