Parmea To The Governor: We Are Not For Sale

From comments on another thread, where it was noted that Governor Easley had raised the issue of economic incentives tied to the OLF deal:

Gov. Easley, we are not for sale. If we need monetary help, we come to YOU, not the US Navy. Do not pawn off your responsibilities onto the Navy. They are a military organization with the purpose of protecting and defending our nation, not buying a water system for a county as an appeasement or a bribe.

The Navy has the responsibility to prove to us that this OLF is required. They failed on that score. They proved to us it is not required. So now the only thing the Navy can hope for is for some politician to think their community can be bought. Are you saying we are for sale?

Did any county ask for a "bribe" to take this? NO. They all said, NO OLF. Period. End of story. This economic-incentive you're talking about will run out in how many years - but this OLF will be in our community for 70+ years. The Navy cannot make that kind of deal today. You are not empowered to make that kind of deal, my county commissioners are not empowered to make that kind of deal.

So stop thinking in those terms. Some of the communities you're potentially allowing to be displaced have been here for how long? Before the Wright Brothers flew off a sand dune in Kitty Hawk in Currituck County. How ironic that is. No, we do not want this OLF in our communities.

This line of thought is a short term bribe. We are not opposing this OLF because we think we can get something out of it. We are opposing it because it will hurt us.

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The Pilots, maint crews and contractors ALL have Va Zip Codes

They all have Va Licence plates, They all have Va Drivers Licenses and all shop in Virginia as well.

When they hit a NC OLF on a touch-n- go ( the purpose of an OLF), in the morning, they will have lunch in Virgina. When they pay their taxes, they will pay Virginia. The fuel being used by the Aircraft will be sold to the Navy by a Virginia contractor and will be pumped into the aircraft by civilian contractors living in Virginia. No Virginia families will be displaced by an NC OLF.

In fact, there will be no consequences in Virginia, other than the loss of a looming problem which exist today because of the unwillingness to exercise leadership and planning.
WE (North Carolinians) are the convienient way out of a DoD self inflicted wound in Virginia . Stand with YOUR state Mr. Governor.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

who are these Dems?

I am visiting my elderly mother in eastern NC. It is astonishing to watch this OLF imbroglio and to realize how politicians will sell out constituents east of I-95 for the promise of a few jobs and/or planes.

If there is one essential truth that has been revealed through this process, it is that the Navy cannot be trusted. (I am not anti-military...used to be a Navy wife.) People choose to live in this less cosmopolitan area for the quality of life, but that does not mean they are dumb. They simply have different values about the tenor of their daily existences. The Navy doesn't care about that. They want to appease John Warner and other Republican hawks...plus preserve property values in Virginia.

To me, this OLF process is analogous to any in Washington who think the Bush administration is truthful and/or fights fair. That's naive. I'm tired of the careful doublespeak by some NC Dems on this issue. There should be no OLFs anywhere in NC. The possible "reward" does not outweigh the costs.

You're right.

There should be no OLFs anywhere in NC.

I'm not sure it's the NC Democrats you should be complaining about. To my knowledge, every state level elected official, and every member of the Democratic Congressional delegation from NC came out in full force against Site C. I fully expect that to happen should another site be seriously proposed.

There are two people who could bring the OLF train to a screaming halt if they wanted to - and as much as I hate to say it, doing that might win some elections for them. They are both Republicans - Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr.


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powers of congress abbrevated

From the legislative section of the Constitution....

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

So by looking at this silly little document,
It is the responsibility of Congress to maintain a Navy. Our 2 senators as well as the 13 Representatives are empowered to maintain the Navy. To determine if a building meets the requirement of needful. The Navy told us via the NEPA process that this facility is not required. Congress asked the right questions and received an answer saying it was not required.

It will be the responsibility of these 15 folks to exercise exclusive legislation over this land as part of the requirements to maintain a Navy.

It is the responsibility of these 15 to purchase this land with the Consent of the Legislature of the State this land currently resides. Congress utilized a loop hole in state statute 104-7 that allowed the government to seize any land in NC for what ever reason for the record of decision for Washington County. That loop hole was closed. Now congress should have to ask our governor and our GA for permission to condemn this land for the Navy's wants.

It is also the responsibility of these 15 that everything be done uniformly throughout the United States. These 15 folks should be requiring the Navy to correct the encroachment concerns identified in the NEPA process that has enabled the condemning of 8500+ acres of land in North Carolina out to the 75 dB DNL contour line around Oceana and Fentress.

It is the responsibility of the GA and our Governor to approve the purchase of this land as requested by Congress.

So based on this moldy old document created by a bunch of dead guys, 15 people are suppose to first determine if this OLF is a needful building to maintain the Navy. They should then request from our State legislators permission to take this land. Our State legislators to include the GA and our Governor should then determine if they wish to support these 15 folks. Congress then condemns this land as a needful building required to maintain the Navy.

Page 12-1 of the FEIS......An OLF is not required if most or all of the planes are stationed at Oceana. Alternative 6 is most planes are stationed at Oceana. This OLF is not required. Any representative that is unsure of this process only needs to read this page to determine if this project is needed.

In all of this, I do not see where the Navy is empowered to do any of the things they ARE doing to us. Do you? I do not remember seeing an amendment that moved the power of land acquisition from Congress to the Department of Defense which resides in the Executive branch.

Yes, the Navy is required to perform the NEPA process, but it is these 15 folk's responsibility to read this data and determine if the Navy needs to move forward on their request for a second OLF. If the data is so unweildy that it is unreadable, then the Navy should be required to make it more reader friendly. 6000 pages, multiple references, multiple errors in these documents, multiple years is not reader friendly.

Every one of our Representatives as well as our Senators should know the ramifications of this OLF request. This is not just a NE NC issue, but one that all NC representatives to Congress must weigh on.

This moldy old document empowers Congress to take if required lands from citizens for the common good and common defense. If it is not required, then Congress cannot take this land for a want.

This goes back to the times when the king would just take stuff from people because he wanted it. Those old dead guys did not like that in their king and created a government that respected the individual as well as provided for a government that could maintain itself when need was identified.

The current record of decision condemns 24,000+ acres of land in Washington/Beaufort County and is approved by Congress for something that is not required to maintain the Navy. Who overstepped their authority?

Charlotte Observer gets it wrong too

In their editorial yesterday:

Theatrics aside, note this: The governor and the senator agree. They oppose an OLF where it's not wanted. The lesson to the Navy: Come up with additional benefits, or the landing field is flat unwelcome in North Carolina.

This is NOT the lesson to the Navy. Not a single community is saying come up with additional benefits. Not one.

North Carolina counties are not interested in selling their souls for "additional benefits" because no amount of "additional benefits" is worth doodly-squat when you have to wake up in at 4 in the morning to the sound of Navy jets screaming 1000 feet above your bedroom.

NO ONE WANTS THIS OLF IN NORTH CAROLINA. ADDITIONAL BENEFITS CANNOT OFFSET WHOLESALE DESTRUCTION OF COMMUNITIES.

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