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Breaking my own practice of steering clear of physical meetings of political organizations, today I dropped by a new group forming in the 4th district . . . a chapter of Progressive Democrats for America. I was struck by a few things as I listened to about two dozen people talk about why they were there.

First, I was one of the youngest people in the room, and I'm 56. It is both a testament to the participants who were there, and a worrisome sign about the future.

Second, there appeared to be grim and solid resolve for pushing Congress to cut funding for the War in Iraq. The vehicle is a bill promoted by progressives in Congress, HR 508, which is being presented as a comprehensive alternative to escalation.

I was encouraged by the energy in the room, despite my aversion to meetings. I have offered to post announcements and activities for the 4th District Chapter as they move forward - and I invited all the meeting participants to join us here in pursuit of a progressive agenda.

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PS I wasn't able to stay for the follow-up meeting of GRIM, the Grassroots Impeachment Movement being pushed by Al McSurley. I'm all in favor of impeachment and think it's long overdue.

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Im scared to death

That impeachement will lead to either Cheney being president, or we wont get a conviction and will hand the WH to the Republicans in 08. But god bless all of you for trying.

Also, Good luck to these organizers. I hope they join us and start posting.

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"Keep the Faith"

Yeah....

probably two of the scariest words in the world when put together: "President Cheney"

I'd like to see Congress hold Bush et al responsible for their actions - AFTER the 2008 elections.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

Seriously

Treason as president means he gets impeached, and acquitted in the senate.

Treason after Jan/Feb 2009 means a closed courtroom and 20 people hanging for killing 3000+ american troops for nothing more than personal gain and pride.

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"Keep the Faith"

Just a guess....

About that group not having many young members? My guess is the group's abbreviation---means something totally different to most people these days. ;-)

I know.

I went Googling to get a clever image to go with the post and all I got was stuff like this

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and such.

(At 56 you were one of the

(At 56 you were one of the youngest people in the room.) This is so sad and so very frightening. Where are our young? What is happening now is THEIR future. I keep telling my own children this (they are now in late 30's) and their response is equally disheartening. They tell me they feel they have no future anyhow so why bother. They then explain that they are going to work all their lives and never have a retirement, but not to worry their lives will be short due to the destruction of the planet.

What can I say because I believe they are right in their analysis. I do of course urge them to fight back, that it is not too late to bring some sanity to government. But so far I am the only one in the family still writing letters and e-mails and doing a blog and any other activity I am able to do. BB

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For the future

I refrence the frontpaged survey on kos the other day. highest levels of political activity amongst incoming college freshman in over 30 years.

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"Keep the Faith"

I saw that

and was happy to see it, too.

I don't think I'm really worried . . . and I've worked hard to raise my own two kids as critical thinkers. They're both strong progressives, though perhaps a bit more thoughtful in some ways than I am.

I've often felt

that I'm the youngest person in the room at political events. At 46, that shouldn't be. Is it because, as Brenda says, the 30 somethings (and younger) are so disheartened that they are infused with a "who the hell cares anyway what difference does it make ennui"?

Not all of them. I can tell you that even though I've been passionately following politics since I was 7, I have only had the personal freedom to become actively involved in the past few years. My son is of an age where he doesn't need constant supervision. I am fortuate that my job gives me vacation days, etc. that I can use when I need to be involved in something that takes place during the work week.

Until those things all fell into place, I was making the most of my time off with my young son. I would have liked to have been involved, but the hours were never convenient. Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon, you say, should be easier - you don't have to work. Hmph. Ever try to find some one to take care of your child on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon? Someone you could trust AND afford?

The hard facts are - the older we get, the more freedom we have to be involved.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

Just a couple comments...

Two New Mexico State Senators are introducing a resolution in their legislature to ask for impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. If it passes it will be sent to their Congressional Representatives...and I believe they are obligated to introduce the issue in the House of Representatives.

About age and politics...I see lots of younger people flocking to individual candidates or their campaigns or causes...Edwards...Gore...and so on. I believe if we are to gain their active participation is a Progressive movement we have to define, clearly, what it is we are about so they can identify with and join the movement. The Democratic Party has done a poor job in this regard. Second, lunchtime meetings are the best for young working people. It's hard to break away from family/children in the evenings or on weekends.

Stan Bozarth

impeachment

Politically speaking, don't you think that Americans will regard impeachment as a petty waste of time considering there aren't enough votes for it? It backfired on the GOP pretty badly when they tried.

Anyway, I think it would be a bad idea. The country is looking for something positive out of the new congress and not a partisan fight.

As a young person, I've witnessed a ton of well intentioned efforts to get young people involved that don't contain any meat. You can't artifically create citizenship and political involvement...there has to be a geniune interest and a real chance of having influence/making a difference.

My sense is that most young people generally feel that the economy is working quite well. They are growing more and more concerned about the environment and the war, but generally life is promising and fair in the U.S.

As I heard one Army official put it on NPR recently, "America isn't at war. The Army is at war and America is at the mall." Precisely. The majority of people in the U.S. are too far removed from the war to be too concerned.

This sucks, but you have to wonder if things would be better if more people were paying attention. Would the previously apathetic be reasonable political actors or would they be easily manipulated and poorly informed?

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

Politically speaking, don't

Politically speaking, don't you think that Americans will regard impeachment as a petty waste of time considering there aren't enough votes for it? It backfired on the GOP pretty badly when they tried.

Anyway, I think it would be a bad idea. The country is looking for something positive out of the new congress and not a partisan fight.

I'm also looking for the new congress to hold the administration accountable for its horrendous mistakes. Positive non-partisanship will mean little to me if the crimes (yes, I believe they are crimes) of the administration go unpunished, or worse, overlooked.

As a young person, I've witnessed a ton of well intentioned efforts to get young people involved that don't contain any meat. You can't artifically create citizenship and political involvement...there has to be a geniune interest and a real chance of having influence/making a difference.

This is where I think we can see that Edwards - with OneCorps - gets it. We can't wait until 2008, and we can't count on the politicians to do it for us. I've seen that message inspire folks from the age of 15 to 80, myself included. I think it's a good one.

My sense is that most young people generally feel that the economy is working quite well. They are growing more and more concerned about the environment and the war, but generally life is promising and fair in the U.S.

As I heard one Army official put it on NPR recently, "America isn't at war. The Army is at war and America is at the mall." Precisely. The majority of people in the U.S. are too far removed from the war to be too concerned.

I suppose that depends on your perspective, your station in life, and a lot of other things.

This sucks, but you have to wonder if things would be better if more people were paying attention. Would the previously apathetic be reasonable political actors or would they be easily manipulated and poorly informed?

Oooh- it does kind of suck. Even that you would say that- considering the amount of people who have come before you and worked their asses off. Even those of us who were busy taking care of children and working but were still politically informed and made sure we were voting in every election had a positive effect, my friend.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

I'll take a room full of seniors any day

Youth movements make me nervous. I went to a small liberal arts college where the crowd I ran with held political views that were as strong as the water in the bottom of their bongs — and about as deep. You know, sitting at Taco bell talking about how they wouldn't drink Starbucks because "it's all corporate and stuff." There was nothing wrong with the people (I liked us, anyway), and I don't mean to suggest that all 20-year-olds are as full of shit as I was, but with age comes an appreciation for nuance and what's really difficult in a political situation.

And money. Y'all fogies got the dough. :)

Youth movements make me

Youth movements make me nervous. I went to a small liberal arts college where the crowd I ran with held political views that were as strong as the water in the bottom of their bongs — and about as deep...

Hmmm, I went to a large university (UNC-CH) and noticed the same thing. Issues in just a six-month period included housekeeper pay, stereotype-perpetuating statues, Black Cultural Center, Desert Storm, Gantt vs Helms,tuition hikes, etc., Unfortunately, even if the issues went on for a while, those supporting the drives/protests ususally didn't stay on them for more than a month or so. Almost nobody ever stuck with anything once it stopped being covered by the DTH. It seemed the process or emotion of taking up a cause was more important than seeing it through in the long run. I suppose it may be somewhat like a courtship vs. a long-term relationship. The "magic" of those early days of a relationship disappears and many mistakenly think the relationship is over and go on to find the same magic with another.

If Not for the Old -

If not for the old fogies like you and me, they wouldn't BE at the mall.

They would be drafted and serving in Iraq. But I seriously doubt anyone has clued them into this.

From probably the oldest

From probably the oldest foggie here: Impeachment is a waste of time and money. Bush will be gone in two years and in no way will he or any others be "held accountable " for their mistakes no matter what is done to prosecute him (witness Clinton & Nixon). It just isn't done; and just what would you suggest be done? Send and ex-President of the United States to prison? Move on and get out the vote for the next election.

I agree much with some of the antics we all got up to in college. Universities have thru out history been the hothouses of revolution, but they have also harbored the Intellectual Psychopaths so perhaps we can be grateful for the short attention spans of that age group.

When I speak of “young” I am meaning the 30 some things who have lived and learned enough to be more judicious in what and whom they support.

I spoke of my children (late 30’s) as being disheartened and unwilling to participate in political activism very possibly because they watched their mother all their lives beating her head against the walls of bureaucracy. One family tradition I am proud to say they have carried on and that is actively doing what they can for those less blessed than they. And if they had chosen to follow our example in just one way, this is certainly the very best activism to carry on into the next generation.

To Lance: As Maxine would say, "It's people who look like me who win the lottery!"

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Brenda, darling,

Nobody really wins when we play the lottery. :)

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