US Senate candidate Jim Neal drops by for an interview - and baked ziti

It's not every day that you land an interview with a candidate for the U.S. Senate, and the chance to have one come to your home to do it is probably even more unlikely, but that's what happened yesterday. Jim Neal, who's ready to unseat Senator Elizabeth Dole, came by. As most of you know (unless you've been under a rock), Jim is the first openly gay candidate to run for the U.S. Senate. I naturally have a particular interest in this race, since my blog covers national LGBT issues, but the fact that I'm based in the Tar Heel state and a NC native, it's all doubly important to cover this campaign and its significance.

Jim was on a packed Saturday schedule. In the morning he attended a political candidate grilling by the N.C. Association of Educators, and after leaving our place, he hopped on a plane to Miami for a fundraiser, so I'm glad he was willing to take a few hours out of the day to do this.

While I'm doing much better after my recent surgery, I'm still not supposed to do heavy lifting just yet, so my lovely wife Kate did most of the thankless house cleaning, but I did make a big pan of baked ziti along with bread and olive oil dipping sauce for the occasion. This turned out to be a good idea, since the Chapel Hill businessman and Democratic fundraiser arrived hungry. After chow-down, we went outside and he sat for a lengthy chat on a wide range of topics, including the reaction of the straight and gay press to his run, why there hasn't been public support of his candidacy so far by the Human Rights Campaign or the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, and why he believes it's essential to harness the full potential of the Internet to wage an effective campaign in an election cycle that's about change.

I'll have the full interview and plenty of video up this week, but I wanted to post one video segment for you. I asked him about bias against the South generally and the misconceptions about NC in particular.

Pam Spaulding: As a North Carolina native (he was born in Greensboro) who's lived and worked outside the state for many years before "returning home," explain to non-Tar Heels what this state was like when you first lived here versus now, in terms of the demographic and political shifts. It appears that outside of the state have an impression that doesn't match reality. How do you intend to convince the political movers and shakers that N.C. is ready to elect an openly gay, politically progressive candidate to the U.S. Senate?


Jim Neal: When I graduated from college in 1978, and took a job working in NY in 1979, I found it very condescending -- the attitude of a lot of folks in the Northeast part of the United States -- still look down on the South as sort of, you know, a place where we all sit around drinking moonshine and living a hillbilly type of lifestyle. And it came up in Jimmy Carter's campaign because he was a very successful peanut farmer. He was derided, his family was made fun of, and I didn't like that...that didn't resonate well with me one iota.

The perception of the state, however, was not helped by the era of the Jessecrats...Jesse Helms and others elected to the Senate -- John East, Lauch Faircloth -- sent a really negative message about our state to the rest of the country and the world. And it created this impression that North Carolina was a hotbed of real divisiveness, and in many cases, hate, that I knew was not necessarily indicative by and large, of people I had known and grown up with -- my family and my friends.

Now having moved back here two years ago, the one thing that struck me right off the bat was the fact that how different the faces of the state has changed. Basically it used to be they were black and they were white. And now they are black, and they are white, and Chinese, and Indian...Hispanic, different ethnic groups, and social and cultural groups -- much more of a melting pot you see elsewhere in the United States.

Having said that, at the same time, there's still an elitism that prevails in other parts of the country about the South. I mean they view the South as one big red region state. And I tell people again and again, North Carolina is not indicative of the whole South. North Carolina is a Blue state that has two Red senators. My mom used to say -- and I'm sure many have heard the old adage that "North Carolina is a valley of humility situated two peaks of conceit." Well (laugh) that Northern peak of conceit kind of runs all the way up the Northeastern seaboard.

But, with the kind of leaders we're going to elect, and some that we have in office we have now -- in Washington and elsewhere -- as well as the kind of growth the state has made economically...I mean, Charlotte, is home to seven, I believe, Fortune 100 companies, which ranks it sixth in the country -- sixth. Now who would have thought that would be the case back in 1978? So North Carolina has changed a great deal, and the voice of the Jessecrats that went down to an ebb a long time ago. North Carolina's capacity for tolerance of somebody who is fiscally conservative and socially progressive like me, I think it is open, it's not an impediment to my campaign. In fact, I think it is a plus. People who wouldn't vote for me for reasons such as my sexual orientation, hell, they wouldn't have voted for me anyway. So, I don't think I'm going to lose anything as a consequence of that. That just plain ignorance to assume otherwise.

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It was an informative and interesting peek into political campaign on the rise, and it's clear that Jim Neal's frank style and openness is connecting with many constituencies here. He said that he's planning to get "down east" in the state soon, and talk to some of the military families and veterans who have been left behind and neglected on Senator Dole's watch.

A feature on Jim Neal and his trailblazing campaign is in the latest issue of The Advocate. Also, he will be off to my 80s stomping grounds, the Big Apple, on January 31. There will be a fundraiser at the studio of artist Ross Bleckner (as noted in the NY Post's Page Six last week).

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-- Jim Neal's official campaign web site.
-- Jim Neal for Senate Facebook group.

Links to Pam's House Blend coverage of Jim Neal's candidacy:
-- Recap of PHB live blog with U.S. Senate candidate Jim Neal
-- NC: Jim Neal's polling strong against Dole -- and Hagan
-- Out U.S. Senate candidate Jim Neal on real family values
-- DKos: Jim Neal on the economy's alarming vital signs
-- DSCC - Where's Jim Neal?
-- Report: DSCC scrambled to find hetero challenger to run against Elizabeth Dole
-- U.S. Senate candidate Jim Neal at the Equality NC Conference and Gala
-- NC: Dems 'come out' to take on Jim Neal
-- North Carolina numbers for Neal and DSCC skullduggery

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Veterans and military families

Sen Dole has a deplorable voting record on veterans' issues. Jim will probably have a lot of support in the military community. He's certainly won over a number of BlueNC veterans.

I've set up a www.actblue.com/page/vetsforneal /">Veterans for Jim Neal page at Actblue if any of you would like to contribute to his campaign.

Thanks, Pam!

Very wonderful post . . . it really captures the Jim Neal I've gotten to know. I've come to think of him as the "straightest gay guy you'll ever meet."

Cheers!

Christopher's picture

Jim also managed to squeeze

Jim also managed to squeeze in a 9AM speaking event the Cabarrus County Democratic Women's breakfast Saturday morning. Quite the busy man these days, and I'm extremely happy he's as motivated. Now, where's our ziti?

Pam Spaulding's picture

ziti

Full of good things. Hold a BNC political potluck and I'll make a big pan!

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Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend
www.pamshouseblend.com

what an awesome idea.

Hold a BNC political potluck

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Christopher's picture

I hope you guys like grilled cheeses...

n/t

Let me know when,

and I will prepare my world famous (work with me here) pasta salad.

Here's a clue: it has far more calories than pretty much anything you could put on your plate. :)

I'm good for cornbread

and black-eyed peas too if you're really nice to me.

BrianR's picture

Video of Jim's talk in Cabarrus

I have video of Jim's talk in Cabarrus up on YouTube and embedded here on BlueNC on the Your ideal chance to meet a lot of candidates! thread.

Marshall Adame's picture

Conventional wisdom says Jim Neal will not be elected

That is why I am sure he can do it.

Vote "Jim Neal".

Robert P.'s picture

I'm looking forward to reading/hearing what he has to say...

after the kids go to bed.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

can you come over and put my son to bed?

The vacation put him into bad habits, and my husband in Africa leaves me alone trying to get him in bed. I am not very strong at this. Today he was absorbed by the "Monk" marathon on tv.

A Blue NC potluck sounds great upthread, and I can do a few good potluck dishes(vegetarian) and of course, my son is good for cookies or banana bread.

I agree that the ethnic makeup here in NC has changed a lot - certainly in the decade I have been here. I am somewhat linked into the Chinese community, and through some ESL volunteering, with other Asians. The percentage who are voters may still be small - lots here with residency, or, since Homeland Security, waiting for residency - but their priorities are definitely changing the political landscape.

persondem's picture

My 2 cents

One line caught my eye.

it's essential to harness the full potential of the Internet to wage an effective campaign in an election cycle that's about change.

While I believe that the internet is a necessary campaign tool, I would say that the essential thing is to have an effective ground campaign. Knocking on doors is far and away the best way to influence voters. The internet is still the domain of white men (the least progressive demographic) and youngsters looking for "friends" or funny videos.

As for a BNC pot luck, could a central location be decided upon such as CHapel Hill, Greensboro or some such place? If it happens, I bet some candidates would be interested in attending.

Person County Democrats

I think it's both

I find we're connecting with new door-knockers via the internet. That's new in 2008 vs. 2006 Cool, huh?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

persondem's picture

Yes, that is very cool. But ...

I must confess one of my fears:

That the energy generated by the primaries in the African American community, under 25 age group, women and Dems in general will diminish once our nominee is decided. For this reason, I would so like the democratic nominee to be the combined candidate Joballary Cliobamwards.

I hope the same energy is there in October.

Person County Democrats

BrianR's picture

Great Video Pam

I really like the personal one on one nature of your video Pam. We need more like these. Thanks also for the intelligent and insightful questions. I am so SICK of explaining to people from other parts of the US how NC really is!

angry grrl's picture

THanks for the interview and the questions

I'm a native North Carolinian, born in Charlotte, went to UNC for college, now I live in Durham, and I'm volunteering with the Neal campaign. Like BrianR, I get really tired of the stereotypes about us; in fact, I got a craw full of it right after the '04 election with crap like Jesusland and the Letter From California.

Yeah, thanks dudes. FYI, my county went for Kerry by a more than 2-to-1 margin over Dubya. My part of the state, the Triangle, has one of the highest per-capita numbers of Ph.D.s in the country. We have three major research universities within a 30-mile radius. The little town down the road had an openly gay mayor for many years, and he's now a county commissioner. We have a symphony. We have public radio. We have organic food co-ops.

We have several synagogues, a number of Pagan groups, a mosque in Raleigh, and three Hindu temples.

But no. We're obviously all a bunch of redneck, intolerant, barefoot, tobacco-chewing racists.

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