Ultra K, Back In Play
Crossposted from Left Toon Lane, Bilerico Project & My Left Wing
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The corporate overlords back in the Star Chambers of MSNBC must not be happy with a new ruling from Judge Thompson of Nevada, denying MSNBC the right to ban Dennis Kucinich from the Democratic debate.
NBC News said Monday it will appeal a judge's ruling rather than include Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich in a candidates' debate in Nevada.
''We disagree with the judge's decision and are filing an appeal,'' said a statement provided by Jeremy Gaines, a vice president for MSNBC, sponsor of Tuesday night's debate. Gaines said the parent network would seek an immediate hearing before the Nevada Supreme Court.
Hours earlier, Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson ruled that Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, must be allowed to participate. If he is excluded, Thompson said he would issue an injunction to stop the televised debate.
Kucinich's lawyer had argued that MSNBC at first invited him to participate, then last week reversed course and told him he could not.
This explains why Chris Matthews was particularly moody yesterday!
This is good news for the Ultra K camp and for democracy in general, especially since Kucinich's positions make a whole lot more sense than the rest of the Democratic field combined. I have always said we as a Nation are in such sorry, sad shape that half measures and slow routes to rationality will not cut it. The longer we wait to make serious changes, the more we will slide down hill.
I have read the position papers of all the candidates and Kucinich comes out on top is rationality and effectiveness. Edwards is close on his heels. The front-runners, Clinton and Obama, have weaker and much less effective ideas to save America from our downward spiral.
I know people who are voting for Obama because he is Black and I know people for are voting for Hillary because she is a woman. I just wish we would vote for people because the candidate wants to make college free for all Americans, or decriminalize drugs, or do away with insurance companies and nationalize healthcare.
We will continue to get the government we deserve.
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This is Bullshit.
If Kucinich had gotten 5% of the vote in New Hampshire, maybe.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
It's not bullshit, Robert.
Where does it say you have to have a certain percentage of the vote in order to participate in a debate you were already scheduled to be in?
You might not like it, but it's not bullshit, and no candidate or their supporters should be afraid of what Kucinich has to say. If they are, there's a problem.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Okay, then put Gravel back in, and anyone else....
who wants their voice heard. Who cares if the candidates end up with 30 second talking points like we had in every other debate. At least candidates with less than 1% support had their voices heard. Here are the other candidates that also deserve to have their voices heard, I hope Dennis will stand up for their right to be in the debate, since he believes all hopeless candidates should have their time on stage.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
No, not all of them.
Just the ones that were initially invited. Kucinich was invited. He may have done poorly in Iowa and New Hampshire, but he was invited to the debate in Nevada. A judge - who knows more about the law in Nevada than you or I do - says he has to be on the stage.
You sound whiny. It doesn't become you at all.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
phhhhhhhhht!!!!
Dennis won 0% of the caucuses in Iowa, and 1.4% of the vote in New Hampshire. Just because a small, small, small group of people is willing to fund you doesn't mean you should be on the stage. I'm sick of soundbite debates, I'd like to hear something more substantial from each of the candidates.
Everyone was invited to the debate back in August probably, but the race has changed. If Richardson were the one we were talking about, I would have a different point of view. He actually won a percentage of the caucus in Iowa (2.1%) and carried almost 5% of the primary vote in New Hampshire. At least he has "some" support.
And, again, if Dennis is arguing based on equal time, then anyone who won 0% of the caucuses should be invited, yes? That means my whole list gets invited by his standards since I'm sure they all won 0%.
Look, maybe he has some technicality that allows him to debate, but he shouldn't. He should drop out if he can't impact the results in any way, shape, or form.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
He is the most progressive of the candidates in many ways.
By staying in the race, he may change the platform, the same way JRE may do, whether he wins or not. It's a good thing. In my opinion.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi