Waterboarding works! Who knew?

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Over the past two years, the Art Pope Puppetshow has served as an exceptional lightning rod for galvanizing progressives against the toxic agenda of North Carolina's free-market extremists. With a multi-million dollar budget to oil their influence-buying machine, the Show has clearly had some measure of success in shaping the agenda with small town newspapers in general and with the Raleigh News and Observer, in particular.

The fondness of the N&O's political reporters for all things Pope has been well discussed, as have the water-carrying activities of Rick Martinez, an opinionator at the N&O whose wife Donna works backstage at the Show. And while I'm reluctant to boost his readership by linking to his columns, today's piece in the N&O shows Martinez at his worst.

As you read his column about presidential politics and foreign policy, pay special attention to these two stunning paragraphs:

Paragraph No. 1
What's surprising is Obama's acceptance of the Bush Doctrine of unilateral pre-emption. Of course, he proclaims he'll exhaust all diplomatic options before firing a shot in anger. But bottom line, he writes: "I will not hesitate to use force, unilaterally if necessary, to protect the American people or our vital interests whenever we are attacked or imminently threatened." There's little qualitative difference in that statement and the policy implemented by Bush/Cheney.

Paragraph No. 2
Most intriguing in the McCain plan is the creation of a new specialty -- interrogation. Instead of waterboarding, McCain's interrogators would use advanced psychological techniques to get critical information from detainees. Fine, Senator, but keep the waterboarding option open. It works.

Regarding the first paragraph, the kindest thing I can say about Martinez is that the poor guy is probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Every current or future candidate would espouse the exact same policy, as well they should. But to assert that such a policy was "implemented by Bush/Cheney" is laughable. One teeny-tiny element missing in Bush's misguided rush to war: there was nothing even remotely resembling an imminent threat. Period.

Regarding the second paragraph, I simply point out that if the US were to drop a nuclear bomb on Tehran tomorrow, there would be plenty of people like Martinez who would claim "it works" as well.

So there you have it. A News and Observer columnists who believes (1) George and Dick's Big Adventure in Iraq was inspired public policy, and (2) torture works, so why not use it.

Thanks Rick. You make me proud that I no longer subscribe to the crappy paper you write for.

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Doug Clark likes torture too.

In a column earlier this week, Clark (News Record) was singing the praises of waterboarding. I guess maybe being an opinionator for a major newspaper increasingly requires subscribing to moral relativism:

Do I agree with Bowden? Yes, in the case he presents. I'm not sorry this terrorist was waterboarded for the life-saving information he provided. In other cases? I don't know. We shouldn't torture prisoners. But how much should we pressure them for vital information? Bowden gives us the other side of this debate that's too often not heard over the pious pronouncements by people who get themselves offended by the way wars are won.

(By the way, there's no on-the-record evidence of any "life-saving information" being provided. That said, it's kind of nice to know that "pressure" is A-OK with Clark.)

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in case you missed the point about pressure.

Clark responded in his own blog

At least the guy's engaged in the discussion. That gets big points in my book. Little Ricky never even answers my emails.

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Endorsing or rejecting Torture is a values question


"I'm not sorry this terrorist was waterboarded"


It is not a matter of whether you feel sorry, or don't feel sorry for the person being tortured.

Accepting torture as a tool of interagation, or for any reason, is a values decision that speaks to the core of who we are and what we hold true, moral and sacred.

I would like to think that torturing a person is not now, or will ever be an accepted form of behavior for Americans in America, or anywhere else they may be.

These doomsday scenerios we often here about, i.e., "There is a Nuclear device that will detonate in one hour and this guy knows where it is"..bla..bla...bla.. is dishonest and the person putting that scenerio forward as an actual point of debate is someone lacking any credable argument...

Marshall

If you have time, please share these thoughts with Doug Clark at his own blog (link above).

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Done James

thanks for pointing me there

You're a good man, Marshall.

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