If your teenage daughter gets pregnant, thank Robin Hayes
There are plenty of reasons to consider Robin Hayes a disgusting and vile creature, but one reason very close to my heart has been largely unaddressed. Robin Hayes is personally responsible for thousands of teen pregnancies in North Carolina every year. Here's the story.
In the dark of night when the legislature was in session back in 1995, then Representative Robin Hayes introduced a bill requiring that public schools in North Carolina teach an abstinence-only sex education curriculum. Despite heated and stunningly uninformed debate, the House and the Senate passed the bill. Since the 1996-97 academic year, over 100 out of the 117 school systems in North Carolina have taught abstinence-only until marriage in their healthy living/sex education courses.
Hayes said his program will “put a moral compass back in the schools and get teens past these mixed messages and answer the question of teenage pregnancy." He would later state that “this is where welfare reform starts – with abstinence until marriage.”
And what did Robin Hayes' misguided zealotry do for North Carolina adolescents? Just this:

In the wake of Hayes' spectacular stupidity, schools scrambled to come up with approaches to the new legislation. Some settled on pure abstinence-only. Others opted for "abstinence plus sex education."
In North Carolina the counties in which Abstinence-plus programs are used have experienced a greater decline than counties utilizing the Abstinence-only curriculum. And, according to a recent survey by the Centers for Disease Control, 75% of teens in North Carolina have intercourse prior to graduating from high school.
Simply put, abstinence-only curricula in North Carolina schools have been an unmitigated disaster.
In 2003, 7 years after the state law came into effect, the Abstinence-only counties have pregnancy rates ranging from 20-104 with a mean of 66, indicating a considerable decline (28%) from the 1995 rate. The Abstinence-plus counties have a teen pregnancy rate of 49/1000 in 2003. These counties experienced a decline in the mean teen pregnancy rate from 84-49, or a 42% decline over the 8-year period.
Abstinence only = 28% decline in teen pregnancies
Abstinence plus = 42% decline in teen pregnancies
There are thousands of teenage girls falling through that 14% gap in effectiveness between the two approaches. Thousands upon thousands. And every time one of them gets pregnant, you can thank Robin Hayes.
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Don't expect Hayes to give a flip if your teen gets pregnant. This is the same guy who wants our troops to join the Crusades to convert the heathens in Iraq. He is an ignorant ideologue who should be driven out of town for the untold misery he has caused North Carolina families.
Thank goodness he'll soon be gone.
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Planned Parenthood of Central North Carolina
honored my wonderful wife with an award for her volunteer work over the past ten years. At the ceremony, I heard from one of the early PP leaders that Robin Hayes was the same sneaky piece of crap back in the Legislature that he is today in Congress.
Which brings up two things. First, we HAVE TO BEAT HIM NEXT NOVEMBER. And second, we have to eliminate the insanity of Abstinence Only education in our schools.
Where is the love for Kissell?
It almost seems like the big boys are taking him for granted now that he is a DCCC darling.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
Sorry.
I got so mad about this I wasn't thinking clearly. I'm a proud supporter of Larry Kissell, and you can be too!
I meant on the big boards.
Seems like he isn't getting much attention.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon
NC HISTORICAL (not so long ago) TRIVIA QUESTION
Anyone remember Representative Aldridge and his claim to fame?
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke
Do tell!
"If boiling people alive best served the interests of the American people, then it would neither be moral or immoral." Max Borders, Civitas Institute
Three of my classmates dropped out of high school
10th grade. 11th grade and then in 12th. They just disappeared. No idea where they went. We weren't all that close but I noticed they were gone. Eventually we would call them and find out they were pregnat. No idea if they got their GEDs or what. We just didn't talk about it.
And in 9th grade and 8th grade we had been taught about condoms and diaphrams and the Pill. And we were taught about sperms and eggs. Not too clear on how the sperm got near the egg but better than nothing.
I've been told that at the time only Maryland and New Jersey mandated any sex education at all. No idea if that's true.
My 9th grade teacher told us not to have sex before we were married because, "What if you have sex with someone you don't marry and then your husband isn't as good." I don't think that was in the curriculum.
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,
Talk Of The Nation on NPR
did a piece on the Portland, Maine school officials that voted to allow teens access to birth control. I thought about your wife while it was on and wondered why they didn't contact her for input.
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
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In high school, in the 70's
we learned it all. That was in NJ. I was amazed that now, in 2007, the public schools here teach less than the public schools did when I was a kid 30 years ago.
I assure you we didn't have more sex because of the education - but I'm pretty sure it was safer sex. And at the time we didn't even know about AIDS.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Haven't you heard,
teenagers don't have sex anymore. Remember "Just Say No"??
Oh wait, that was for drugs, wasn't it? Well it worked so well for drugs that ... they dusted it .... off .... and ...........
Nevermind. (ala Gilda Radner)
Person County Democrats
The heart of the 8th District is directly affected ...
According to its local newspaper, the Daily Journal, Richmond County was just identified as having one of the highest, if not the highest, incidents of teen pregnancy in the State. ... Meanwhile, if not mistaken, when Robin was in the state legislature didn't he also advocate for using Lysol to prevent STDs? He received some negative media coverage about it during the 1996 gubernatorial campaign. Perhaps someone recalls the details.
Lysol man
I found this:
Left on 49
Don't blame Robin Hayes, blame me.
If my teen age daughter gets pregnant, then in all probability it is because as a Father, I was not her best friend and did not know and speak regularly to the boy she was dating. Additional discussions about being a women and the responsibilities of that should come from her mother or another trusted female mentor in her life. It has nothing to do with Robin Hayes or the schools. Who out there would be such an irresponsible and heartless parent that they would want the schools to teach about something that is the parent’s privilege and duty?
Okay. I'll blame you
not only for your daughter's pregnancy but also for living in a wildly delusional world.
There are as many reasons that parents don't talk to their kids about sex as there are incompetent parents. Some don't do so for religious reasons, imagining that god will have "the talk" with their kids by magic. Others are embarrassed. Others are too lazy. Or too busy. Or too strung out on drugs. Or drunk. Or working three jobs. Or just plain ignorant.
The truth is, all parents are aren't like you. It would be wonderful if they were, but they're not.
It's a simple choice: better sex education or more teen pregnancies.
"If boiling people alive best served the interests of the American people, then it would neither be moral or immoral." Max Borders, Civitas Institute
Well, there's always this....
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Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
There are a lot of things I want to be the first one to teach
my son about. But I'd like educators with scientific background and knowledge to teach him the science, the background, and let's face it, the latest in safe sex and birth control methods. I'm not enough of an egotist to think I know it all and can teach it all to my son, nor am I living in a fantasy world where teenagers run to adult mentors each and every time they think about having sex.
I'm horrified that my son, a senior in high school, didn't know that he could go to the health department and get condoms. I called to make sure that was right, told him, and told him to make sure that all of his friends knew.
I knew this stuff in high school because of a health educator named Mrs. Muir. (no ghost, just Mrs. Muir.) And I knew the mechanics of reproduction (internal, not just the insert tab a in slot b stuff) because of a co-ed class taught by Mr. Benfatti. Both of these teachers took their responsibilities seriously, made sure that we knew that the class was about science, not morality, and that our parents were the ones we should look to for advice.
My parents, and the parents of every other student in the class were aware of what was being taught in the class. A very different situation from what happens now - from grade school on, parents are not informed when children are given religious coloring books in school, despite their own family's religion, I was never informed that my son's high school was teaching "abstinence only" or even "abstinence plus" (what is that - everything except intercourse?) until my own son told me. It is not a policy I agree with. I believe that the statistics and "science" being taught in those classes are wrong.
Teenagers have sex. That's a fact. Better that they have the information than have some uniformed idea of "I'm just not going to do it until I get married." (I won't even go down the rabbit hole that says "What about the homosexual teens?" Someone needs to teach them about safe sex, too - but I bet that won't ever happen in NC's high schools.)
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
I had Mrs. Muir too.
Wasn't she great?
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I loved her.
Especially when she told me I couldn't possibly be pregnant from a certain thing that had occurred. I would never had asked my mother.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
So...what would you say?
Would you explain to her the need to make sure her boyfriend wears a condom (properly), and recommend that she also consider taking birth control?
Or would you tell her to be a good girl and wait until she's married?
I'm going to be outright
I'm going to be outright harsh here, and say that the idea of a father (I noticed you used upper case for this designation, reminiscent of the way some of us were reared to refer to God) being his daughter's best friend is a little twisted. Maybe it worked for limited purposes (plot device) on "Paper Moon" and maybe it *really* takes place for a tiny number, a really, really tiny number of folks, but as a model for civic/educational (let alone real life) policy, it is, to borrow from Anglico's post, wildly delusional.
I want to point out that my own regard for my father is such that it wouldn't be entirely off the mark if I were to use upper case "F" for him, (or "Him"), too. I honestly do think he is one of the finest people ever to occupy this planet, and am proud to say so often. But "best friend?" No, that's horse-hockey.
I should also note that I don't believe in "God," and that my Dad has always served in that stead remarkably well.
But he isn't my "best friend," and never was, and much as I love him, never will be. Sex? My parents, both extremely bright, both very loving, were probably more willing than most in my generation to even broach the subject, but they were terrified of it, and it showed. To suggest, as your post does, that the concept we should rely upon is that across the spectrum, most citizens practice a parental "privilege and duty," is ridiculous.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke
Remind me to stay on your good side.
Perfectly said.
"If boiling people alive best served the interests of the American people, then it would neither be moral or immoral." Max Borders, Civitas Institute
Probably no one here glbrown
unfortunately there are too many parents that are in situations where they don't have the time, some don't have the knowledge and some just don't care.
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
Progressive Discussions
Those 17 school systems
The 17 that have bravely gone beyond the rest of the state to offer the full "plus" curriculum should be applauded. I don't know which ones they are (I'm betting in blue areas mostly...I've heard Durham County and Chapel Hill/Carrboro were two of them), but it's a topic that's certainly worth bringing up when school board elections are on the table. Even if it's an uphill battle to get the state to go in this direction, doing it by each county/school system is obviously doable. 17 have so far...no reason why more can't join them soon. Especially by focusing on larger school systems like Wake County to make that change, we can affect the numbers.
not a concern for me - yet!
My son is only eight but I have been explaining reproduction to him gradually. It is part of my "truth is best because it is too hard to keep the lies straight" school of parenting. ( Yes, he does giggle but he does that anyway. He can burst into hysterics looking at men's bikini underwear in a catalog!) I was so proud when he told me recently he wanted to find his birth mother in China - using DNA! We haven't gotten to contraception yet but I have talked to him about a teen mom we know, and how difficult it is to raise a baby before one's education is done.
I have no doubt that he will be sexually active, although I will do my best to keep him busy in those years! I am a realist - I grew up in the 60s and recall the rash of 15 year olds having shotgun weddings.
Abstinence is a noble goal, and achievable only with strict 24 hour supervision. Unless parents are willing to hire bodyguard/chaperones, they need to look to Northern Europe where kids are drilled with the message to always use contraception.
My parents gave me the best advice
answer only the question that's asked.
So, that's what I did. And one evening - starting with a feminine hygiene product commercial on tv, when my son was in 4th grade, we went, question by question, right down the road to the hows and whys and wheres and whos. My advice to you is - before you answer any questions - ask one of your own: "What makes you ask that question?" Sometimes, "Where do I come from? " can be answered quite simply with "Pittsburgh". :)
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
THANK YOU
I love it. This has been a long, rotten day, and you gave me a much needed laugh -
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke
repost from other diary
That comment by Hayes about Lysol reminded me that my dad said that in the 40s, men would visit brothels and then pour gasoline on themselves to prevent STDs. Maybe Hayes was just recalling the old days.
No matter what, kids are exposed to the media and need information. My son tries to french kiss me because "that is how grownups kiss on tv". It reminds me when I was young and asked my dad(the brothel expert) if "adultery" meant "behaving like an adult."
I'm hoping that those men back then...
didn't also have the habit of lighting up a cigarette after sex?
Hence the phrase
"A hot time in the old town tonight."
On a semi-serious note - could the gasoline have been for lice?
Person County Democrats
kill germs?
or lice? or just make you smell so bad that no one would suspect you'd visited a house of ill-repute.
Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Who all voted for this terrible bill?
1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.