Where to put the new 14th District? (and other redistricting thoughts)
(cross-posted at dKos)
All available analysis suggests that North Carolina will pick up a 14th district after the 2010 census. The question now is, where to put it? And another question--how to further shore up the map for the Dems?
To help guide my analysis, I consulted North Carolina's current congressional map, the results for Hagan-Dole in 2008 and the presidential results. I relied more on the Senate map than the presidential map becaus as I mentioned in November, I believe Hagan's nine-point thumping of Dole is a better sign of where things are going in North Carolina.
Based on population trends, it's very likely that a 14th district will be either a new Charlotte-area district or a new Triad (Greensboro/Winston-Salem) district. Although as a Charlottean I'd rather see a new district in my neck of the woods (especially if it offers a chance to get rid of Sue Myrick), fundamental fairness makes me think it should be a Triad district.
As you can see from the congressional map, the Triad is carved up worse than a Thanksgiving turkey. The map is drawn in such a way that the only two Dems representing significant portions of the area represent districts based elsewhere. Mel Watt's Charlotte-based 12th includes about 60 percent of Winston-Salem, 70 percent of High Point and 30 percent of Greensboro. Brad Miller's Raleigh-based 13th includes two tails that include 40 percent of Greensboro and a small portion of Burlington. That leaves most of the Triad represented by two of America's worst congresscritters--Howard Coble and Virginia Foxx.
So here's the question--how to create a new Triad-area district? My initial hunch would be to create a district comprised of most of Guilford County and most of Forsyth County. I know, I know, it sounds strange to put Greensboro and Winston-Salem in the same district. But I can't think of any other way to create a Dem-leaning, Triad-based district. And yes, this can be done by taking areas out of Mel Watt's 12th district--at present, the 1st is the only district in the state with VRA issues.
Next, I turned my attention to the two districts that are at most risk to flip once the current Dem incumbents retire and yet are the easiest to shore up--the 2nd (Bob Etheridge) and the 7th (Mike McIntyre). The 2nd is probably more likely to flip than the 7th, if only because it includes Johnston County, the reddest county in the Triad (55 percent for Liddy!). My inclination is to shift Johnston to the 3rd, and replace it with most of the 4th's share of Wake County. I'd also put all of Rocky Mount into this district (it's currently split between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd). My hunch is that this at the very least changes the 2nd from R+3 to D+3 or 4, making it a lot more likely it'll stay Democratic once Etheridge retires.
The 7th is a strange beast. Hagan cleaned Dole's clock here--she won all but two counties located mostly in this district by five points or more. However, McCain just barely won here, and only then because he narrowly won New Hanover County (Wilmington) by about 1,200 votes. Translation--this district seems to be turning more bluish-red. Still, just to make sure this district stays blue once McIntyre retires (and hopefully to help get a better Dem than him in there), a nice tradeoff for putting more of Wake in the 2nd would be to add the 2nd's share of Fayetteville to the 7th. At worst, this makes an R+3 district R+1 or D+0; at best, it's D+2 or 3.
Under this plan, David Price's 4th would pick up the rest of Chatham County, as well as the 13th's share of Alamance County. Brad Miller would lose his share of Greensboro to the new 14th, but pick up all of Warren County and the 3rd's share of Vance County. At one stroke, you make the already uber-Democratic 4th even more Democratic, and turn Miller's 13th from marginal Dem to strong Dem.
Now to my metro area, Charlotte. I'd give Larry Kissell some more breathing room by pushing all of northeastern Mecklenburg County into his 8th District, while moving the sliver in the southeast to the 9th. Northeast Mecklenburg is solid, solid blue, and I figure this would make what is now probably a D+2 district D+5 at worst. I'd then move Gastonia and the more insanely Repub area of Gaston County to the 10th, while adding Mount Holly and Belmont to the 12th--which at worst makes the 12th D+8, still all but impossible to flip. I'd then push southwestern Mecklenburg into the 9th. Combined with the loss of Gaston, this gives the 9th enough Dems to counteract the nasty-red portion of Union County in a good year--making it possible Sue Myrick could be taken out in a strong Dem year, or at the very least make it easier to flip when she retires.
By this analysis, the best-case scenario in such a map is an 11 Dem-4 Repub delegation. It's probably the best that can be done under the circumstances. I really wanted to find a way to give Heath Shuler more breathing room, but looking at the map, it's probably drawn the best that it can be under the circumstances--and besides, it's probably R+3 right now based on Obama clobbering McCain in Buncombe County.

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I don't think there will be an NC-14
and if there is we should redistrict to protect the Dems we already have in office and strengthen the Dem presence in the 2nd, 7th and 11th instead of trying to draw another Dem district.
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I think all the districts should be logical.
Like, Mel Watt's should disappear. Districts should be largely square or spheroid. That doesn't mean, for instance, only one person represents the Charlotte metroplex. Instead, it could be split like Berlin, with the districts heading out into the rural areas from the city. Anyways, I want compact districts.
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Like Berlin
That sounds about right.
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I would disagree with
I would disagree with spitting a city like Charlotte as you said like Berlin. Then you give the urban interests twice the voice while you dilute rural interests by making them an insignificant part of the two otherwise urban areas. I think it would be better to have more compact districts for the urban areas while other districts with a more small town and rural flavor would cover more sq miles. That would be more equitable in my view.
I'm a moderate Democrat.
Greensboro is split in such a way.
In fact, I think it's 3 ways, isn't it? 6th, 12th, 13th? I think it's a mistake, too.
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It should be made to support
proper representation of the people where the representative is not 1/4 of the state away.
This would mean restructuring ALL the districts to better support ALL of North Carolina, not just the democrats.
http://www.fws.gov/southeast/pubs/maps/nc.pdf
The 1st district is so huge its crazy. Yes, we need that many counties to provide enough people for the congressman to represent. It needs to include Goldsboro as well as Havelock all the way north to the state line. The 3rd district is interlocked with the 1st and encompasses areas from VA Bch down halfway to South Carolina to get the people needed. That's crazy. Yes, we are rural and have a small population, but if their is a chance to add a 14 district. The entire state needs to be fixed based on population and not to support one party or the other. That is just too presumptuous.
It would be a nightmare to redivide the state. It would be done, but I hope it would not be done based on partisan concerns.
If you want to know
How NC will redistrict ask those who will do it. I would start with Marc Basnight and Tony Rand. They are our two most powerful legislors. Joe Hackney will have a say also though I do not expect Hackney will try to battle too hard against Basnight if he disagrees with him on any redistricting. And expect the GOP to sue to try to get it overturned.
It's not at all strange
to put most of Greensboro and Winston-Salem into one district. There is much commonality of interest among the core communities of the urbanized Triad.
Properly set up, this would be a competitive seat, not one locked into either party. At present, all of Forsyth and most of Guilford are locked away into non-competitive districts. Foxx's Fifth, Coble's Sixth, and Watt's 12th have no real fall contests, and our quality of representation in the House typically reflects that fact.
(I know that Roy Carter was a good, hard-working candidate. He and his volunteers worked their hearts out. And he was absolutely trounced in the voting because the district is so dramatically gerrymandered in favor of the Republican candidate.)
Foxx answers to no one but the Republican extreme social and economic right. Coble, a nice enough guy personally and once a moderate Republican at the state level, hardly answers at all these days. Politically, he just doesn't have to. Watt--whose policies I generally like--makes only a secondary effort in Forsyth because his home and real base are in Mecklenburg, and he knows no Republican has a chance against him.
The many Democrats throughout this area, the third-most populous region in our state, are enormously frustrated by the non-competitive status of the 5th and 6th districts.
Please! When our population growth awards us a 14th seat, let's concentrate on giving us a real shot at decent Democratic representation from the Triad. We don't ask for a slam-dunk district, just a fighting chance.
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"A fighting chance"???
The 5th and 6th districts currently are a thorn in the democrat's side...I know that. There are many reasons for that, but primary among those is that they're represented by republicans and remained so even with all the Obamamania. That's troublesome to demos...easy to understand.
To change around either or both of these districts to accomodate an easier win for the democratic party in NC goes against what I read here on BlueNC....."fairness". Yeah, yeah...I know repubs have gerrymandered and so has the democratic party. Let's not live by the wrongs of the past or try to play the "get even" game.
I work to help elect republican candidates I respect and support in my county and in my congressional district. Rockingham county used to be in the 6th district then was moved to the 5th district. And, even though Rockingham county is more democratic (although does seem to be moving republican in some ways), regardless where it's put, that district has gone republican with regard to its congressperson in recent elections. We repubs work hard...just as hard as you demos. We deserve a "fighting chance" as well.
Hopefully the voters in these two districts won't see their votes negated by old-time gerrymandering by the democratic party.
The best thinking is independent thinking.
There should not be any gerrymandering
but just grab the appropriate level of people for the representative to represent.
Look at the electoral college. For the party member in a state who lost the vote, they are not represented. According to the electoral college, North Carolina voted 100% for Obama. Smitty would probably argue against you on that 100%. The system says North Carolina voted for Obama.
Stop the gerrymandering and grab folks. Start at Raleigh and work out from there. If the grab gets folks that are all one party, luck of the draw. If the district is split, luck of the draw. Today, the district might be dem. What is to say that will be true in 20 years?
Remember, once elected, that person is suppose to represent all the people, not just one party.
I personally know a few dozen
"Brad Miller would lose his share of Greensboro"
Greensborians that would riot in the streets if they lost Brad as their Rep, and it wouldn't matter if the 14th fricking Dalai Lama took his place. Let us not speak of this again...
It's true
But I'd like to see Districts redone so that a Dem would have a fighting chance in the 6th. Right now, we don't, really.
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I found your observations
I found your observations about the 2nd district very interesting. I was wondering how you came up with the + and - D or R for each district. I have debated with some about the 2nd being a conservative district. You are very correct that whenever Bob Etheridge decides to retire (hopefully at least 20 years from now!)it will be a very difficult seat to keep. Not only is Johnston overwhelmingly Republican but Harnett is getting almost as red.
I'm a moderate Democrat.