4 Democratic Legislators who endorse Bill Faison for NCDP Chair...

...where among the 6 Dems who voted for Republican Thom Tillis for House Speaker


Red Shift?

The state Senate leadership vote went off without a hitch today.

With no Democratic challenger, Rockingham Republican Phil Berger was elected president pro tem by acclamation. The House, on the other had, offered a bit more drama: the majority (68 Republicans) nominated Mecklenburg Rep. Thom Tillis, while the minority (52 Democrats) nominated former Speaker Joe Hackney (D-Orange).

You might have expected the vote to break along party lines, but it didn’t. Tillis won by a vote of 74 to 46. All the GOP members voted for Tillis, joined by six Democrats who crossed the aisle to vote for Tillis over Hackney.

Beverly Earle’s vote was pretty predictable. As a Mecklenburg Democrat, she had good reason to back a member of her local delegation for leadership. Four others – Dewey Hill (Columbus), Tim Spear (Washington), Bill Owens (Pasquotank), and Jim Crawford (Granville) – weren’t all that surprising, either. Crawford and Owens may have held positions of power under Hackney, but when you get right down to it, they’re among the most conservative members of the Democratic caucus.

The one that doesn’t fit is Elmer Floyd, a Fayetteville Democrat. He isn’t really considered conservative, and he’s not from Charlotte, either. So why the vote for Tillis? Is he trying to make friends with the new leadership, or is he angling to become a power broker between the new GOP leadership and the historically Democratic Legislative Black Caucus?

Were the six Dems offered positions of power for their votes? Tillis says no. He told reporters Wednesday he had not solicited any Democratic votes. But he also conceded he’s more likely to offer leadership positions to Democrats who share his “business-friendly” philosophy. We’ll find out exactly what that means when House committee lists are released Thursday.

So here are the 6, including the ones who also endorse Faison according to his website (as also posted on Blue NC):

Beverly Earle *
Dewey Hill
Tim Spear *
Bill Owens *
Jim Crawford
Elmer Floyd *

The article does make a good point: Earle and Tillis are both from Mecklenburg County, so that does make a little sense. But Spear and Owens being conservative - why would they vote for Tillis for Speaker yet endorse Faison for NCDP Chair - how does that electoral strategery work?

Floyd isn't conservative, and he's African-American, so what's the logic in supporting Tillis other than to become some sort of power-broker?

Wouldn't it have been a good idea to get the entire 52-member Democratic Legislative Caucus to vote for Hackney long party lines? And make me question whether or not Faison as a legislator or as State Party Chair would be able to control such Dems when we really need them to vote a particular way on a bill.

Martha Brock asks the question in her NC Examiner column:

Nonetheless, the rails will be greased for fast track GOP legislation, if the House can get folks like Crawford and other” Business Conservative” Democrats to cross over and vote for Republicans bills. It will give Speaker Tillis the same “veto proof” majority in the House Senator Berger has in the Senate this session.

This is not a good sign in my opinion.


Red Shift to Faison

Why on earth would the most Republicrat members of the Democratic caucus support Bill Faison? Why? I ask you, Why? What does the Democratic Party stand for in the days of Bev Perdue and Bill Faison?

Not mentioned

I noticed that you didn't mention that some of the most liberal members of the legislature also support Bill.

Representatives Pricey Harrison, Rick Glazier, Joe Hackney, Alice Bordsen, Senator Doug Berger.

We are a big tent party, representing liberals, moderates and conservatives.

"Keep the Faith"

I don't wonder if the liberal supporters will vote with the GOP

But I do worry about his more conservative supporters. All we need with some of these bills is to have a few Dems support them and they become veto proof.

Beverly Earle’s vote was pretty predictable. As a Mecklenburg Democrat, she had good reason to back a member of her local delegation for leadership.

I wonder if some of the legislators are supporting Bill because he's one of them? Because as legislators, they'd have good reasons to back a fellow legislator for leadership.

I did get an e-mail from someone today who isn't even a member of the SEC asking me to vote for Bill, telling me that he's done a lot for the Democratic Party. Is there anyone here from Orange County who can tell me whether or not Bill has attended a precinct meeting, county party convention or county executive committee meeting? And by attend, I mean in some way other than showing up to ask for votes. ;-)

Chris Telesca
Wake County
Precinct 01-42 Chair
SEC member

Chris Telesca
Wake County Verified Voting


You really think Joe Hackney, Rick Glazier and Pricey Harrison would support someone "because he's one of them?"

You don't know them very well, which is really too bad.

crazy logic

And once again, the crazy logic here is that we should distrust Bill Faison because he has the votes of legislators who voted with the GOP. This is questionable reasoning in the first place, but if you're going to use that kind of reasoning, you'd have acknowledge the counter-weight of the fact that he has the votes of the most prominent progressives in the General Assembly. In fact, I have little doubt he has most of the Democrats in the General Assembly behind him, whether they like him as a person or not, and whether or not they agree with his stance on each and every policy.

I think it's reasonable to see a pattern here, which is that he is the choice of people who are deeply concerned with the interests of the party. (Obviously that would include the jerks who voted for Tillis -- as long as they're still actually *in* the party). The KEY interest of the party members in this election -- if they are sane -- from the most liberal to the most conservative -- is the ability of the next chair to RAISE MONEY.

I don't regard Faison as a progressive by any stretch, but his failures (in my book) on policy issues are not what the election of party chair is about.