About that gay thing

Dear NC Family Policy Council.

It must be hard seeing your dream slip away. Watching an agenda crumble in the face of a new generation. Consider this from the Iowa State Senate majority leader.

One of my daughters was in the workplace one day, and her particular workplace at that moment in time, there were a whole bunch of conservative, older men. And those guys were talking about gay marriage. They were talking about discussions going on across the country. And my daughter Kate, after listening for about 20 minutes, said to them: 'You guys don't understand. You've already lost. My generation doesn't care.' I think I learned something from my daughter that day, when she said that. And Ive talked with other people about it and that's what I see, Senator McKinley. I see a bunch of people that merely want to profess their love for each other, and want state law to recognize that. Is that so wrong? I don't think that's so wrong. As a matter of fact, last Friday night, I hugged my wife. You know I've been married for 37 years. I hugged my wife. I felt like our love was just a little more meaningful last Friday night because thousands of other Iowa citizens could hug each other and have the state recognize their love for each other.

This is happening in Iowa. The right ventricle of the heartland of America. Is it the devil's work? No. It is your god's work, love in its most generous sense. And it's time for you folks to get over yourselves.

For starters, you can stop pretending like there's a mountain of serious evidence to support your positions. Your policy papers are often opinions reflecting an anti-gay agenda that blurs the lines between church and state. Without god as your witness, you have no leg to stand on.

Certainly not the leg of science. From your website:

We are on the cutting edge of providing research on public policy issues that affect the family to policy makers at the state, national and local levels. Our policy papers are thoroughly researched and pull together the information needed to make good decisions. Citizens and legislators find our information timely and informative.

Your work speaks for itself, thank you. And thoroughly researched it is not. Besides, who cares if there's a gay gene anyway? What is your point?

Face it, guys. God doesn't agree with you on the gay thing. Look into year hearts. Please. Love is good.

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Love is good

I've decided to love the NC Family Policy Council. They mean well. Just like the last of the segregationists meant well. They're just misguided.

I say to them, why not embrace the possibility of love? Why not listen you god and envision a world where people are accepted? Why not work toward having that be a world we want instead of something to be resisted?

VT overrides veto, DC also

is making progress!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/07/AR2009040702200.html?hpid=topnews

D.C. Council Votes to Recognize Other States' Gay Marriages

The D.C. Council voted today to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states, on the same day that Vermont became the fourth state to legalize same-sex unions.

Domestic partnerships are already legal in the nation's capital. But yesterday's vote, billed as an important milestone in gay rights, explicitly recognizes relocated gay married couples as married."

We have marriage equality in the heartland, and we have it from a legislature. No more can marriage equality be disregarded by conservatives as just a coast thing, or just an activist judge thing. In fact with republican govs vetoing marriage equality when it comes through legislatures (CA & VT) it proves that their real concern never was judicial activism.

As an NC resident who recently got married in MA, I'm heartened to see this news.

Knickers

That'll get the knickers in a knot among R's in Congress.

The Only Difference

I have about what the State Senators daughter told those old fogies is that I, like so many of my (and her) genration actually DO care. We care about equality, about human rights, about love and about letting people express their love the same as anyone else.

Of course, I understand what she was saying and why it may have had such a searing impact on those ancient ears. Fights can be picked if there is only one side that wants to pick them. When the other side just "doesn't care," then all the huffing and puffing from the other end becomes nothing but an echo. Perhaps bitter, conservative wingnut Phylis Schlafly actually had it right all those decades ago - "A Choice, Not An Echo." Those of us coming of age and during the Age of Obama have bigger fish to fry and larger problems to solve. Policing someone's bedroom is the relic of an older, more spiteful and restrictive time.

Can't we all just get along :)

-- A liberal originally from Yadkin County. Did I just blow your mind?

Wonderful comment

Thanks.

Sorry

Meant to say "can't" not "can" in the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph. My bad.

-- A liberal originally from Yadkin County. Did I just blow your mind?

one by one...

... the walls are tumbling down.
It is a sight to behold.

The Momentum Is Growing

The Momentum is growing in the face of Republican downfall. American People are starting to realize that the Gay Marriage issue is about Marriage Equality, NOT the definition of Marriage.

am proud to be living during this progressive time in American History. In 50 years when I am talking to my grandchildren, I can tell them that I lived during the era when GLBT people started being seen as reglar human beings.

God Bless America.

Now If Only we could get the GA to introduce and vote on a bill making Gay Marriage legal in NC.

What do you say to an email like this?

Dear James.

God said to Moses, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. " Leviticus 18:22

That proves your theory that God approves of homosexuality is a lie.

Gary

Maybe god meant

it's okay to be lesbian, but not guy gay?

From the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance

English translations of this verse:
These are not a great deal of help. Bible publishers are under strong economic pressures to turn a profit. If a translation of Leviticus 18:22 were included that did not generally condemn at least male homosexual behavior, their sales would drop precipitously. They are unlikely to deviate from traditional interpretations, unless they were preparing a translation specifically for Christian and Jewish liberals.

Some translations are:

ESV: (English Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination."
KJV: (King James Version): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination".
LB: (Living Bible): "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin"
Net Bible: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act." 1
NIV: (New International Version) "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
NLT: (New Living Translation): "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin."
RSV: (Revised Standard Version): "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

The LB and NLT translations use the term "homosexuality" That is unusually deceptive for three reasons:

The passage in the ancient Hebrew is clearly talking about male-male sex acts. By using the word "homosexuality," the English translation appears to condemn lesbian activity as well. The latter behavior is definitely not mentioned in the original Hebrew text of this passage. In fact, lesbian behavior is not mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.

The term "homosexuality" has two distinct meanings in English. Sometimes it refers to sexual behavior (what some people do). Sometimes it relates to sexual orientation (what some people are). One reader might conclude from an English translation that homosexual orientation is criticized in the Bible; others might assume that homosexual behavior is criticized.

The word "homosexual" was first used in the very late in 19th century CE. There was no Hebrew word that meant "homosexual." Thus, whenever the word is seen in an English translation of the Bible, one should be wary that the translators might be inserting their own prejudices into the text.

My emphasis

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

Maybe it meant, it's not OK to lie

to your buds, go ahead and lie all you like to your woman:)

Since I was taught to believe in the literal word

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Since I was taught to believe in the literal word as a good Southern Baptist...

I always tell my tall, goodlooking husband very forthrightly, without a hint of dishonesty, that we're going to F@#$ standing up.

 

Lol! In this day and age,

you just about don't have time for the extended version. And you really should be multitasking while you're doing it, like ccccookinnngg (Oh!) or bbbbloggginnng (Yes!)

Actually, I'm just speculating here. It's been so long, I'd probably fall over and crack my elby bone on the coffeetable. ;/

Cherry picking Leviticus

There are so many more commandments "from God" in Leviticus, why oh why do they settle on just one? Instead of teabagging parties, they could bring back the burning-the-sinner-at-the-stake parties.

* Leviticus 19:19 - Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee. (Other versions say that you shouldn't wear garments of mixed fibers)

*Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard. (If I'm reading this right, I'm okay if I shave my legs.)

*Leviticus 20:9 - For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (How many teenagers would grow into adults if we observed this one?)

*Leviticus 20:10 - And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

*Leviticus 20:14 - And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you. (Surely these last two would protect marriage more than our current laws)

*Leviticus 21:17-19 - Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; (Really, your God said this? So, so sorry, my God is a loving God.)