Do you want the United States to win in Iraq?

There is a very diverse spectrum of thinking going on in the global left. We need to listen to one another. One of my sincere interests is in bringing people together. We can learn from one another. Building a grassroots movement on this togetherness can change the world for the better.

This following is part of a blog post by Stan Goff called The Question. Please read the whole thing. Think about how we can end the war in Iraq now. Share this with politicians.

There is nothing more tragically amusing than watching the right-wing catch liberals off guard.

Bill O’Reilly has caught the whole crew flat-footed with one of those trick questions: Do you want the United States to win in Iraq? Set aside for the moment that this ignores the fact that the US government has already lost in Iraq, and that the question is constructed a little like, “Yes or no, have you stopped beating your wife?”

This is pissing off the Democratic Party establishment because it is outing them, the same way Republicans outed John Kerry by stating, quite accurately, that Kerry supported the war when the national blood was up. Not a single public official will answer this question the way it needs to be answered if we want go on record saying that the lives of people from abroad are as valuable as American lives.

O’Reilly needs his bluff called.

Do you want the United States to win in Iraq?


Lets look beyond our pride and think peace. Seriously. Think about global peace and how we can bring all the soldiers home tomorrow.



What is a "Win" in Iraq?

If we truely went in there to remove Saddam, well, "Mission Accomplished". You and I know that is not why we are there. We are there because of the oil, we are not "winning" that war. How can you answer this....I want our soldiers brought home and re-deployed to wherever they can be more effective, (darfur for one, Afghanistan for another) I want the Iraqi people safe, I want America to again be the shining beacon of hope that it use to be....that would be a win.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.


That's pretty much what John Edwards said in Raleigh last week. Something to the effect that the solutions in Iraq are of two kinds, either bad or, worse.

that line got the most...

gut reaction of anything he said. Not applause, just grunts and yeahs and murmurs and uhmmm-hmmms. Everyone feels it, no one says it.

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Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

double edged sword

A position like that, no matter how correct it is, is sure to draw some heat from people like gingrich and rush. but at the same time it appeals to the fact that most americans are not crazy, and want our troops protected above all other concerns.

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