Helms dead at 86

On the CNN site via the Heritage Foundation.
Jesse Helms died at 1:18 a.m. today.

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It's at times like this ...

It's at times like this that I feel especially sad that there's no afterlife ruled over by a just god. Heck, I'd settle for an earthly life ruled over by a just god.

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mean vicious person

I don't care what he did later in life, it does not make up for 50+ years of being the champion of hatred, racism, homophobia and basically villifing anyone who was not like him.

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

My condolences to his family



Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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family vs. history

My sympathies to his family, which can hold to their happy memories of him. History will not be kind to him, as he was on the wrong side of progress for the whole of his life He did leave a legacy of good constituent services, which is admirable, if cynical since he was quite willing to oppose American freedoms for many of them, that is, the non-white, non-Protestant Christian, non-straight, non-authoritarian following and non-hate/fear-based. Too bad he used his considerable influence in this state to achieve dishonorable goals.

you are all much kinder than me

All I could think of when I heard the news was the line from the from the Munchkins

" Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead"

Helms attitude was

Helms attitude was inexcusable and he certainly was a product of his time. He seemed to epitomize the worst of the Democratic and Republican parties in the last century.

timing is everything...

...and it turns out george carlin's had an entire week to await helms' arrival--hopefully followed by a sudden departure to a lower place...hopefully with carlin's recommendation to lead him on his way.

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

pause and reflect

I've been through a rollercoaster of emotions about Helms's death; the Helms who brought out celebratory emotion among some LGBTs and progressives today (who couldn't see that coming) built his career on fomenting prejudice and bigotry - but what does that mean in terms of today's political landscape? I thought about how blogging about it in some sort of a celebratory manner would have done little to make anyone think deeply about how his legacy would be analyzed by the MSM and the conservative movement.

What does conservatism mean today, as people look back at Helms? Forcing conservatives to publicly own the whole of Helms's record would be the best way to expose that, even today, a shocking number of those occupying the conservative elements of the GOP would not find much fault with what Helms stood for.

How about taking a look at what the NC GOP stands for today?

I would hope more progressives pressure the media and the Democrats at the national level -- particularly those who will go on the Sunday talk shows with conservatives -- to frame any discussion of Helms from the perspective of cultural history, civil rights and where both parties have evolved on his issues -- I think it will lay bare to the public which party is ready to move forward, not romanticize and thus reinforce bigotry of the past.

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this, from a poster at the pat buchanan site:

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Timing?

Jesse was a sick old man, and my thoughts are with his family. But comments like this really piss me off.

"It's just incredible that he would die on July 4, the same day of the Declaration of Independence and the same day that Thomas Jefferson and John Adams died, and he certainly is a patriot in the mold of those great men," said former North Carolina GOP Rep. Bill Cobey, the chairman of The Jesse Helms Center in Wingate, N.C.

Jesse on par with Jefferson and Adams? I don't think so.

Timing

My mother pointed out that Jesse had to die before seeing a black man in the White House.

i shouldn't be laughing...

...but that's hilarious.

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

To be charitable, he was...

One of the 19th century's leading voices.

when he had cancer

How did the Doctor tell the malignacy that was the cancer from the malignacy that was Helms?
As a child I can remember his afternoon rants on WRAL.
He did have an equal in the US Senate.
Sen. Furnhold Simmons from New Bern. Sen. Simmons served on the Titanic investigation.
One served in the first quarter of the 20th century and the other the last quarter of the 20th century, but of what I saw of Helms and have read about Simmons, they could have traded places and no one would have been the wiser.

A friend of mine [ a republican ]once told me that when Jesse talked it sounded like he had a mouth full of............. And with what came out of that mouth I would agree.

It's hard

To act like the Dalai Lama when it comes to this guy. All I'll say is the sun was shining a little more brightly over my home in Hillsborough when I heard the announcement. It's good for the world that this guy is now worm food.

War is over if you want it.

War is over if you want it.

I wish his family peace.

And I wish him rest.

Let's move on.

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
Pointing at Naked Emperors

All the world's a stage

Jesse played his part to perfection.

Exit to cheers and boos.

And even some hissssessssssssss.

A Different Jesse

The Rev Jesse Jackson had this to say:

"He was a talented man. A man of considerable power. But he used his powers to maintain the order of the Old South. It was divisive," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said Friday.

"We offer condolences to his bereaved family, but the senator had a chance to move toward a more perfect union and he chose the Confederacy."

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Ahem...

Was going to slide this into the BlueNCTV box but thought better of it.

Wildly, wildly offensive, and um... inappropriate.

(Listen for the Liddy Dole shout-out)

i can just see him...

...watching this and asking: "what's the joke?"

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

I'm glad you thought better of putting it in the box.

I just can't imagine how it promotes discourse, positive or otherwise.

Jesse Helms is dead. His family is in mourning, as are a lot of North Carolinians.

His legacy of hate should die with him, not be perpetuated by those on the other side of the political aisle from him.

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
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Shame on ya'll

Jesse Helms was the most important NC politician in the 20th century. He has passed away. I didn't agree with hardly any of his positions on issues or things he said or did during his public life. But people the man has passed away and this is no time to talk ill of him. Stop and think. This is not your finest hour. Pay your respects, hold your tongues, and remember to conduct yourselves with some class!

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Where's your respect for the

Where's your respect for the family?

I'm a moderate Democrat.

What's disrespectful?

I didn't say anything disrespectful. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your logic: That we shouldn't talk honestly about Helms because he was "important."

So.

As for what I wrote on DFL's diary about Helms, I'm perfectly comfortable with it.

Revisionist history does a disservice to our children and our country. Simply because someone is dead (or "important") does not mean we should lie about their legacy.

We are speaking about a man who caused great pain and suffering to thousands, particularly African Americans and Gays. That is not something to be celebrated. In fact, it's shameful. Downright shameful.

Who should be ashamed?

NCDem Amy on YouTube

i think there are a lot of folks...

...who have an impression of helms that was based on his evident disrespect for all kinds of people--and if you spent much of your life sowing disrespect, what do you expect to reap?

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Oh Huh, you sweet ole' Southerner you

Huh,

I have *some* sympathy with the concept of letting it lie at least till he's securely in the ground, but I don't think, honestly, that the family is reading BlueNC. And BlueNC is exactly where one would go to get away from the sugar-coated commentary filling up radio, television and newspaper space now that Jesse has finally taken his leave.

If Miss Dottie is reading BlueNC to see what folks here have to say about Jess Helms, I'll eat my hat, or her hat, or someone's hat, I don't know. I just don't think I'll have to eat anyone's hat or I wouldn't have offered.

Lookit, you haven't seen yours truly posting about this matter over on RightWingLunatic.com (also known as Talkingaboutpolitics.com) have you? No, 'cause I'm being every so thoughty about the fact that folks over there are still building shrines and buying new tea lights fo the votives . . . wait a minute, I'm becoming tempted.

hee.

stop it now.

I'm trying to be respectful. And I'm not even southern.

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
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Jesse Helms was no Frank Porter Graham

Dr Frank was a far more substantial and important North Carolina politician than Helms. Just because you didn't live through it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

So was Terry Sanford.

So is Jim Hunt.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Precisely.

Those were two who came to mind immediately.

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
Pointing at Naked Emperors

The observation that he was

The observation that he was the most important NC political figure is not based on who I like politically. Dr Graham was indeed an important progressive figure in NC history as was Terry Sanford and Jim Hunt. I suppose a case could be made for those three also. However, Senator Helms served 30 years in the senate. He was the voice of conservatives not just in NC but nationally. He almost singlehandedly made NC a two party state again, revitalizing the Republicans and converting a ton of Democrats to Republicans if not in registration in philosophy and voting patterns. His congressional club revolutionized the way campaigns were run. For thirty years over half the citizens of our state (but never me)agreed with him enough to vote him into office. I just don't see anyone else having that degree of influence in shaping our state and nation.

I'm a moderate Democrat.

I don't doubt his importance

But you used a superlative. I think the others were more important.

I think he's up there with Senator Sam or Senator Simmons, certainly, in terms of impact on the State (and, unfortunately, in views on race). But in terms of who is the "MOST" important?

I think Hunt. Four terms as Governor and carried the North Carolina Democratic Party through a time in which its sister parties in other southern states were dying on the vine, has to be considered a greater accomplishment than being an obstructionist jerk for 30 years, albeit a kindly one.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

It's a question without one

It's a question without one answer, history, not math :>)

I'm a moderate Democrat.

I have no respect for him

Jesse Helms was a vile and mean person. He was not afraid to use race baiting and never met a right wing dictator he didn't like.

Remember when he whistled Dixie when Carol Mously Braun got on the elevator with him? Or the "hands" ad during his race with Harvey Gantt? The list can go on and on.

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

He was a bullying bigot

May his family rise above the shame he gave to their family name.

Jesse was high class all the way.

The only sign of moderation ever shown by the longtime North Carolina senator was his decision to stop saying the word "nigger" when he was likely to be quoted in public settings...

Like Thurmond, Jesse Helms, a fellow Republican who served as a senator from North Carolina from 1973 until 2003, symbolized the white Southern backlash against racial integration and social liberalism.

Helms gained a political following in the 1960s as a commentator on Raleigh's WRAL-TV and the Tobacco Radio Network with his denunciations of the civil rights movement, liberalism and communism.

As a senator, he explained that he voted against Roberta Achtenberg, President Clinton's nominee for a Housing and Urban Development position, "because she's a damn lesbian."

When Helms encountered protesters during a visit to Mexico in 1986, he remarked: "All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."

In 1990, Helms stayed away in protest when Nelson Mandela addressed a joint session of Congress.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

This is the best I can do.

Via Andrew Sullivan: But may he rest in the peace he so wanted to deny so many others - because they were different from him.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

Jesse in his own words

from bettybowers.com by way of Scrutiny Hooligans:

"No, I do not. And neither do the people in the armed forces. Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He'd better have a bodyguard."
-- When asked in 1994 on CNN if he thought President Clinton was "up to the job" of serving as Commander-in-Chief

"Let me adjust my hearing aid. It could not accommodate the decibels of the Senator from Massachusetts. I can't match him in decibels or Jezebels."
-- After Ted Kennedy made an emotional speech to let foreigners with HIV become US citizens, 1993.

"The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian."
-- 1995

"The University of Negroes and Communists"
-- Reference to the University of North Carolina devised by Mr. Helms when he worked for Willis Smith's 1950 U.S. Senate campaign.

"All I know is that D'Aubuisson is a free enterprise man and deeply religious."
-- Responding to evidence that Roberto D'Aubuisson directed Salvadoran death squads that murdered thousands of civilians.

"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that CANNIBALISM, WIFE-SWAPPING and MURDER of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."
-- Fund raising mailer, 1996

"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."
-- After Mexicans protested his visit in 1986

"It's their deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct that is responsible for the disease."
-- Justifying his refusal to give financial support to families of AIDS victims.

"Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches."
-- 1995 radio broadcast

"She's a damn lesbian. I am not going to put a lesbian in a position like that. If you want to call me a bigot, fine."
-- Explaining why he was opposing the appointment of a woman for a cabinet post.

"They should ask their parents if it would be all right for their son or daughter to marry a Negro."
-- In response to Duke University students holding a vigil after Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated, 1968

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

His willing enablers

Helms could not have gotten to the Senate without the help of more than 50% of the votes! Those votes were cast by not only ignorant and malign toads of the lower orders but by his social and economic "betters" who essentially hired "Ole Jesse" and these people delighted in the conflict Helms generated unbidden and unprovoked, always in the name of "Gawd". I am glad he has been out of circulation for some time now and am unswayed or affected by his passing. He was a mean, arrogant, malicious and ugly man whose passage does not recommend any extraordinary comment other than to note that we still have a hell of a lot of racist trash of all grades in our state.

wafranklin

 

Look what Helms gave us

Sen. John Least
Sen.Laugh Faircloth
Sen.Liddy Drole
Sen. Saddle Burr

What a wonderful legacy.

Funeral Arrangments

Laying in state under the Star and Bars in front of the Confederate monument - 11 am till 3 pm

Service and burial - 4pm till 5.30 pm

Cross Burning - Dusk

robe...

...$32

hood...$12

making tha' jesse fooneral and jew-burnin'...priceless.

"...i feel that if a person can't communicate, the very least he can do is to shut up." --tom lehrer, january 1965

Find one

In some tiny little NC town, you could pay $10 for a plate of BBQ and get in to see Jesse Helms. Find any candidate today who spends his time that way and stays in office. I know several people who thought he was the devil incarnate and, after meeting him, still didn't like his political positions but came away impressed, nevertheless.

As Obama, now that he has the nomination, continues to tack to the middle and abandon all the positions that got him the nomination in the first place, remember a politician who didn't blow in the wind (love him or hate him). Obama could learn a lesson or two about sticking to your guns regardless of what people think.

McWeatherVane

sticking to your guns regardless of what people think

I think McCain is the one the needs to learn this lesson more than Obama.

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