Republican "effectiveness"

The fight against the Navy's outlying landing field started with a strange wrinkle. Not only was the battle initially waged by environmentalists and family farmers, it also had early support from property-rights advocates who oppose government "takings" as a matter of principle.

That's what this email, which is currently flying around in Republican circles, is referring to.

BlueNC are making fools of themselves. What they apparently don't know about is that on the OLF issue Senator Fern Shubert, Don Carrington, Claudia Rodgers, Bob Orr, Rep John Rhodes, Sen Hugh Webster, Art Pope's Carolina Journal were some of the first to lend advisement, public relations, press coverage/assistance and political support of their effort which went against Burr and Dole, John Warner and the first few of several admirals. The legislators wrote and spoke at events and Rodgers functioned for the first couple years as their pro-bono lobbyist, outreach coordinator, press manager and she helped them get an NC 1907 federal land condemnation law changed. (Because she served in the marines as an aid de camp to the CG at Cherry Point and also worked as a site evaluator for the DoD real estate policy office she was very helpful.) A couple of years ago The Carolina Journal carried a top fold front page article detailing what was going on down there.

To those from the North Carolina Republican Party reading this entry: I am fully aware of your early efforts in the fight against the OLF. But the truth is, you didn't get the job done. The truth is, Congressional leaders in your party don't appear to give a damn what you think. And for all your so-called influence, they are continuing to ram this OLF down North Carolina's throat.

Instead of sniping from the sidelines with whiny emails about BlueNC, perhaps you should get off your asses and prove that you can actually accomplish something for a change.



When Republicans governed, they didn't govern. When they were in power, they had no power. Why? Because this is an issue that pits normal citizens against the internal power structure, and the Republican leadership always choose the internal power structure.

They just don't like it when it is their "normal citizens" that are getting the shaft.

Where are the candidates?

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

Walter Jones: Screw the farmers . . . it's more money for me!

Poor Walter.

He never liked Site C, but dang it, it's better than nothing. Who cares if pilots die and farmers get screwed. Money for Jacksonville is all that matters.

For Immediate Release
Wednesday, September 10, 2003

Jones Reacts To Navy's Decision On The Olf And Super Hornet Squadrons

Washington, DC - Third District Congressman Walter B. Jones today focused on the economic benefits that Super Hornet jets will bring to Eastern North Carolina and promised to continue to work with those affected by the Navy's decision. The Congressman's statement followed the news of the United States Navy's conclusion that two squadrons of Super Hornet fighter jets be stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point.

"I have long said that Washington County was not my preference for the outlying landing field (OLF) site. During this process, I have worked with the Navy and advocated the many merits of a parallel runway. However, the Navy made this decision based on the very important training needs of our pilots and a balance of the environmental impacts among all the proposed sites."

What a frickin tool.

"Now that the decision has been made public and put on the record, it is an appropriate time to sit down with the Navy, local officials and those affected to mitigate any potential negative impacts and more concretely define the road ahead. I pledge to continue to work with all parties involved. While the process is not final, it does signal the beginning of the next important phase."

"Despite the decision to place the OLF in Washington County, I would venture to say that nearly all would agree that the placement of two Super Hornet Squadrons at Cherry Point is great news for the economy of Eastern North Carolina and for the future of our military bases. Each additional squadron will bring the region an added $10 million annual economic benefit and will result in an upfront investment of at least $14 million for military construction," Congressman Jones said today.

For additional information or to schedule an interview with Congressman Jones contact Lanier Swann at (202) 225-3415 or via email at


He says this now:

... the placement of two Super Hornet Squadrons at Cherry Point is great news for the economy of Eastern North Carolina and for the future of our military bases.

But what's he gonna say when we lose a couple of those million dollar planes and well-trained pilots to those German Shepherd sized birds that frequent the skies of Washington County like Starlings?

P.S. Dear Farmers of Eastern NC: Congressman Jones cares about you -- right up until somebody waves a few dollars under his nose. Ain't that nice to know?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

WUNC program on BRAC

If you really want to understand this issue, listen to this show from the State of Things.

As you listen, be aware that the decision has been made to keep Oceana in place. The Navy will fight tooth and nail to get their OLF.

Not a Word

That this proposed OLF is next door to a wildlife refuge.

Not. One. Word.

How convenient to leave that out.

When was this recorded?

Last summer I think

WUNC can be so annoying sometimes . . . just when I think they may be getting their act together, they always let me down.

Jane and I worked hard to get Dick Gordon here and I was hopeful it would be part of a big turnaround, but that ain't happening. That's why I've stopped contributing.

Dole: Ruin their lives, then give them hand-outs

In 2005, Dole was hard at work selling out family farmers . . . but somehow she also managed to have time to help the poor folks out.


July 25th, 2005 - Washington, D.C. - U.S. Senator Elizabeth Dole today introduced legislation as an amendment to the Department of Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006 that calls upon the federal government to provide assistance to the affected individuals and counties if a proposed outlying landing field (OLF) is ultimately built in Eastern North Carolina. The Navy has said that an OLF is an integral part of its plans to update its East Coast aircraft basing for the 21st century.

Typical Republican bullshit. Screw 'em over and then try to cover your dirty tracks with "federal assistance."

The fact is, the only reason this OLF is even being considered is because Elizabeth Dole sold out North Carolina in a deal with John Warner. It's tempting to ask why she hates her home state so much, but the answer is already known. She doesn't even live here.

Well shut. my. mouth.

Dear Farmers of Eastern NC: Liddy The Senior Senator from North Carolina, Elizabeth Dole, wants you to be comforted by her efforts to provide you with plenty of welfare money and an extra special nice refugee camp.

She was useless as NC's Senior Senator in the majority party. What does that make her now that she's in the minority? hmm ... I can't think of the word ...

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."


Actually, she could be useful if she listened to the people of North Carolina.

Elizabeth Dole could stop this train in its tracks. All she has to do is listen to the people of North Carolina and tell her colleagues she has, rightly, changed her mind.

Poor Liddy

Uselesser. :) You're being mighty generous this morning, A. I was thinking more along the lines of nubbs, boar hogs and diminutive adjectives.

Maybe I should give her a break. I mean, it's pretty clear that listening to the people of NC was never something they told her she would have to do when they talked her into buying a house here and running for the Senate in 2002. Maybe she has listening problems because representing the people of NC isn't really what she signed up for. Maybe she just really likes the DC life and got tired of Kansas. And here we are being all grumpy and mean and actually expecting here to stand up for us. Talk about blindsiding the poor dear lady.

Poor poor Liddy.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Lame-ass Republicans


We ought to use their arguments as well. There's bipartisan opposition to the OLF, even if the Republican side gave up like losers.

What were their arguments against the site? Can we recycle any of them?

Scrutiny Hooligans -

Mrs. Dole's

representitive has stated that Senator Dole does not wish to comment on this OLF as the process for this decision is in process. It would not be fair to the process to make a decision until its completed.

I asked this question recently and the above was my answer. "Where does Senator Dole stand on this OLF?" I was nice, and even used the honorific. It was not to complicated. It was a very simple question. And I figured with all the concern Mrs. Dole had for us, that at least I might get a back-door answer to this question.

Thus I doubt Mrs. Dole has ever made a comment for or against this second OLF.

thats absurd

so she will only give an opinion after the issue is settled? way to protect your constiuents Senator.

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Petition

"Keep the Faith"

Yada, yada, yada

Blow some more smoke up my tail.

First they say the jets are staying in Virginia; then they say they're coming to Cherry Point. If they're coming to CP they can practice at CP. Ergo - no need for an airfield.

If they're staying in Virginia they can still land at Cherry Point because the jets have a range of over 1200 miles.

Even if they do come to Cherry Point - how is "all this money" going to help the people whose land they stole? oh - that's right - they get welfare!

Forgive me for saying the generosity underwhelms me.

NC delegation

The No-OLF has spoken personally to every government official (exception Shuler) in the North Carolina delegation beginning in late 2003. They have given them literature, and personally handed them a DVD.

It appears both parties refuse to work together to save their state.

Every Republican representative said they would take Congressman Jones’ regarding the OLF. Consequently we have seen no leadership there. Jones still parrots as seen recently on television “it is in the courts” and courts have been over for over a year.

Dole office staff says she is our “arbitrator” between the No-OLF and the Navy. Her status has become a glorified mail carrier. When the No-OLF met with her in Dec. 2003 she was interested in pilot safety, and listened to our concerns, but her main response was money, money, money for Cherry Point. You also realize once she approached the Navy with questions they gave her the all the pat answer to mollify her concerns. The last letter she wrote to the Navy she said she was opposed to the Washington County site, but where is her organized opposition? During the tobacco buyout she had the signature of the entire NC delegations. Hmmm….

Burr’s staff is very gracious and helpful but with no real results. We were told Burr wrote a letter to the Navy on the behalf of his constituents, but when we requested to see the Navy’s reply they said it was none of our business. We still haven’t seen the letter.

Under the former Congress the Democrats have tried to make some headway. Now is their opportunity to reach across the aisle and work together. They can use Virginia’s leadership as a guideline on how it can be accomplished.