Who Should I Recruit to Defeat Dole?

Hey, everyone. The 2008 elections have already begun. And, already, I need your help. It's not clear at this point that Elizabeth Dole will actually run for re-election. She's been widely criticized for her performance as Chair of the NRSC; she's shown that she has little to no interest in what happens to North Carolina or its citizens; and, let's face it, her performance on the pre-election episode of "Meet the Press" was painful to watch.

But, even if she does run, we can beat her. So, who should I recruit to take her on? Don't limit yourselves to politicians. Are there good businesspeople or community leaders out there who share our vision and can win?

I'm looking forward to your thoughts.

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Ellie Kinnaird

Or David Price for Senate and Ellie for his seat in the House.

I think Ellie would be a perfect opponent for Liddy Dole. I honestly believe she acts from conviction, and she has a knack for connecting with people based on that conviction.

Her stance on the the death penalty moratorium is a perfect example of that -- it's born of conviction and she worked with liberals and religious folks to move forward.

Death penalty moratorium

I wonder if this will be the year. I seem to remember it was passed in the Senate, not in the House, and I haven't heard about it since then.

Much more Democratic House now.

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Hmmmmmm

Harvey Gantt, but I know he would never run again. Hugh McColl because he has enough money to not only self finance, but to finance every Democrat running in the state.

I like the idea of Brad Miller because I'd really like a chance to vote for him for something some day. :)

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Here's my Picks

Jerry, I thik is is great you are asking us "The People" for input. So, here are my picks

1. State Senator Kay Hagen
2. Eleaine Marshall
3. Brad Miller
4. Mell Watts

These are my picks, If I can come up with any more I pass them along.

His Name is Mel Watt

He's my Congressman and he's told me personally he ain't running.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Thanks for asking.

Jerry, I met you last May at the state convention and was Surprised and impressed by how down to earth you are. It is reshing to feel I can actually make a difference and you really want and respect my input. Seeing you post on some of the blogs I read is a kind cool, but asking us for imput on a challenger for Dole is incredible. Thanks for asking us. It really does make me feel empowered and that I do have a choice.

Ken Sunshine

Thanks For Asking, Jerry

I don't think Dole will run. Her performance during this campaign season was abysmal, and with the Senate shakeup, look for Dole's cache to plummet quicker than Bob off the Viagra.

We ought to encourage Virginia Foxx to have a go at the Republican nomination. Run, Ginny, Run!

The suggestions in the comments are good ones, esp. Easley.

I think our best bet will be with a entrepreneurial scientist with a military background. Maybe start cruising the Research Triangle for talent? Successful businessman, forward thinking environmentally or technologically, and competent in matters military - that's a winner.

You might also speak with Southern Dem. She's a natural, and she'd punishLiddy Dole in the debates.

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What we need

Is someone similar to Lamont to run against Foxx. That way we can win, take over her old seat for a cycle, have some fun etc etc.

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100 County Strategy

Jerry - One more thing. We can't afford to leave 40+ seats in the NC General Assembly uncontested in '08 like we did this year. This leaves the GOP free to run any wingnut they want and slot them right into the legislature. It also allows them to pick up seats while spending little to no money on them. Maybe they would be forced to run more reasonable people if they will have legitimate competition from us. And having more Democrats on the ballot could help us in other races, up and down the ballot.

We need a 100-County strategy for '08, and a state party committment to recruit and help those candidates in allegedly 'red' areas. Even if that help is just setting up a website, or printing signs, we need to not leave twisting in the wind Democrats who are wiling to step up and run for a time-consuming job that pays about $12,000 per year.

I would have contested a state house seat

If my primary opponent in a county commissioner race hadn't entered the field with 15 minutes left before the filing deadline. My would-be state house opponent, however, spent $70 per vote to win his primary, so it would have been tough to deal with that sort of cash flow. Plus, the future Member of the NC House (Thom Tillis) got rid of John Rhodes, so I'm happy letting him have the seat ;-)

(This is NC House 98, btw)

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Hunt for senate, Cooper for guv

I can't support Wicker. As a former state employee, I have personal experience with his protection of campaign contributors...apparently, environmental regulations do not apply to his buddies in Lee Co.

HUNT for senate. He is an awesome guy and he can/will win. After all, he's served four terms as gov. I like Elaine Marshall for the senate seat too.

COOPER for gov. Sorry, Bev - don't trust the coastal NC power brokers. Cooper has built a nice populist resume as AG and I think he is an attractive candidate.

Notice that he didn't deny a Senate run.

Attorney General Roy Cooper bowed out of a run for governor and plans to seek re-election to a third term, according to a letter he sent to supporters this week.

So, maybe we have hope.

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Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Elephant in the room?

I'm surprised no one on this particular blog has mentioned an obvious candidate. Since we're thinking outside the box, how 'bout Larry Kissell if he doesn't take the 8th? Taking out a republican incumbent in a lean-republican district (at least for federal races it leans republican) on a shoe-string budget against a multi-millionare is no small feat. Imagine what Larry could do with millions of dollars and a base of support NOT based in the triangle, but with appeal IN the triangle as well as a rural base of support?

Something to think about anyway.

Interesting.

I guess we're all still counting on Larry to be in the US House when he beats Flipper Hayes in the recount.

That came up when we were reading this post in Biscoe today

Unless you guys can line up $1,000,000 before he signs up, I don't think Larry will be running for Senate any time soon. The last time Dole was up, it was one of the most expensive Senate races ever.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Elaine Marshall or Bev Purdue

Elaine Marshall or Bev Purdue would probably be my first choices but I'd have to give it some more thought. I think either could win. I also think Hunt would be a great choice but find it unlikely he'd run.

BTW, it was nice meeting you, Jerry, at the recent NCDP Victory party and we so appreciate your work to reach out to the netroots and grassroots.

Thanks again to your staff for providing internet access for us!

Amy Goodale

Outside the Box...

Since all my first and second tier choices have been mentioned in this thread so far, I'll try to think outside the box...
How about Easley...no not him, her...Mary! :-) Everytime I've seen her on TV, I've been impressed with her. Anyone think of her yet?

Moore for Senate, Perdue for Gov

Up to now I'd have said Moore for Governor but I think he would be good against Dole and in the Senate. Moore and Perdue should not be allowed to beat each other up in a Primary for Governor. Either would be an excellent Governor or Senator.

I now think Moore is better suited for the Senate seat. Moore has, and apparently likes, a national audience and could raise a lot of money to run against Dole (or anyone else).

Bev Perdue is a good-old-boy with a knack for the nitty-gritty of State politics and has pushed ahead with some initiatives like rural connectivity and virtual schools.

Despite her recent mis-steps with national fundraising Dole could raise a lot of money for herself very easily and use it to trash any opponent. Hunt and Easley may not want to subject themselves to a nasty campaign but neither would Dole if any good candidate was identified early on and raised money for a large war chest to keep her at bay.

I think Jim Hunt would be honored but would decline in order to continue his other interests in peace. I think Mike Easley may wait too long to make a decision and should declare his intentions early on so as not to make it complicated for others.

I think Roy Cooper is doing a great job as AG and should remain for a while.

as they say

thats the crux of the argument

Moore has, and apparently likes, a national audience and could raise a lot of money to run against Dole (or anyone else).

Bev Perdue is a good-old-boy with a knack for the nitty-gritty of State politics and has pushed ahead with some initiatives like rural connectivity and virtual schools.

Does anyone know if Moore has officially declared for Governor or not? I would like to avoid him having to say he is backing off one for the other. Not that that would be a huge deal if it was done early enough.

Besides, I think that if Moore decided to run for Senate instead both he and Perdue would get well over 50% of the vote in their primaries no matter how many others signed on.

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As far as I know

Moore has not formally announced.

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The pecking order, NOT

Why not skip the "usual suspects" and create a candidacy from new blood?

Yeah, most of the folks mentioned here have the traditional fund-raising muscle to pull together a campaign, but they're part of a pecking order that's not quite respected plus vulnerable to criticism of the current Dem power structure (the same folks that switched so easily from vermin to purdue, the folks running interference for black, etc.)

Do something exciting and right and promote a candidate outside the pecking order....

CitizenWill
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CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

I think WillR is on to something here

Jim Hunt would be hard to beat regardless of who the GOP puts up, but why NOT someone new? The netroots made a big difference this cycle and got a number of people elected in races that the CW said were hopeless. Change is good and it's time to help it along.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public.

Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.

Cultivate for '10

in '08 I think we need to stick with someone who already has some name recognition. I know that sounds all conventional wisdomy. It isn't too early to look at folks we want to cultivate to run against Burr.

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definetly

For an outsider to beat Burr is going to take at least 3 years, if not more.

(and yes it will take off-year fundraising while other candidates are starving)

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It's all in how and when you do it

and whether you suck all the oxygen out of the room at the time. :)

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SouthernDem, time to wag our "long tail"...

SouthernDem, don't break my heart... We've got the power of the "long tail" to build-up a slate of candidates that have limited or no "traditional" name recognition.

I like the idea of pulling from a pool of educational leaders - folks with recognized talents and predispositions - that maybe our unknown outside their communities.

I like Ross, Janet Cowell, etc. What about next-gen candidates in the mold of Watt and Clayton? They're out there, let's talk about how the netroots can recruit them...

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
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i only have one problem

Senator Cowell and Rep. Ross currently represent my mom, and will represent me again when I change my registration back. So as long as they continue representing me in some form you can grab them for whatever.

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"Keep the Faith"

Ok, here's a name with clout

Dan Blue. Very well known in NC, has a large base already existing, well respected, and tapped to clean up the NC legislature. He already knows how the game works and knows how to work with people and get things done. I think he would have BROAD support in NC and would be a natural in the US Senate.

And if we're looking to cultivate someone that can take out Burr after that, how about Erin Kuczmarski? She was in the State Legislature in 92-94 and worked with Brad Miller. (Yea Brad!) She is on the Raleigh City Planning Commission right now. She's a progressive, and VERY PROFESSIONAL.

To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only UNPATRIOTIC and servile, but it is morally treasonable to the American public.

Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed frequently, and for the same reasons.

Some Outsiders

I'd love to see Governor Hunt run, because he's one of my all-time favorite politicians. But, I can see one downside: He may not hold the seat for more than one term because of his age. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone who could spend a few terms in the Senate and accrue some power for NC?

Most of yesterday my mind was working on thinking of outiders. In particular, it occured to me that the conversation above only mentioned one person of color (Mel Watt). Here are some possibilities:
-Cynthia Brown. I voted for her in the 2002 primary, and I'd love to do so again.
-Stick Williams. Successful business person, former chair of the UNC Board of Governors.
-Wiliam Barber. ED of the NC NAACP. If you haven't heard him speak, you need to.
- Tom Ross. Former judge and current head of the Z Smith Reynolds foundation. See an interview with him about current issues facing the South here.
-Deborah Ross. I think she's a real up-and-comer in the state house.

Great ideas, Graig.

I know Stick Williams and Deborah Ross - and both would be impressive candidates for the US Senate.

i like it

I wonder if this Stick Williams guy isnt the person to take a few years building up name ID and money to beat Burr. Unless he can raise one to 5 million in the next year, in which case he might be an outsider choice to beat Dole.

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Stick can rasie some dough

Isn't that a requirement for being chair of the UNC Board of Governors? Just think about the fundraising network that would give him to tap into. Professionally, he's a VP at Duke Energy, connecting him with a whole sector that gives tons to politicians already. Of course, I know many progressives would be weary of someone with such a strong connection to the energy industry. As a side note, Stick's wife was elected to the school board when they lived in Chapel Hill, but I don't know if he ever considered running for office.

Here's another possibility: Howard Lee. Plenty of name recognition and a proven ability to raise money.

Stick

could raise $5 million in a heartbeat.

He was a friend of mine here in Chapel Hill and generally managed to walk the delicate line between left and right and green and red. He was president (or whatever) of the Chapel Hill Chamber, which means most of the strong progressives around these parts would find him hard to take. I personally thought he was pretty reasonable . . . and definitely smart.

The Duke Energy gig would cut both ways. He knows how the bidness works, which would be a plus. But he might have drunk too much of their Koolaid. That would be my big question. After years of telling the DE story, he may have convinced himself that it's "the truth." I think not, though. As a black man in a corporate world, he's probably got a pretty good sense of who's patronizing whom and how the politics works.

Interesting thought.

Here's a bio.

two things

North Carolina is still a little southern. A Black politician is going to need to be pro business to overcome any lingering stereotypes. Also, are people in Chapel Hill going to choose Dole over him? Yeah right. I think that Heath has proved that a Democrat can take some conservative stands and not upset the base so long as his overarching theme and beliefs are progressive.

Look at Webb, Casey etc. Its not about guns or abortion. Its the economy stupid.

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I just had a really outside the box thought!

If we are thinking way outside the box, how about multi-millionaire Nido Qubein. He is currently President of High Point University, and has raised $80 million in the last two years for renovations to the Campus. He is a true success story coming to America as a teenager with $50 in his pocket; he is now one of the most successful business leaders in NC if not the country. Because of his deep pockets, he could self finance the campaign, and his rags to riches story, make him perfect.

Small problem

He's registered Republican in Guilford County.

Reported political contributions:

02/02/2004 $1,000
Ballantine, Patrick

09/24/2002 $250
Hagan, Kay (D)

5/16/2002 $2,000
Dole, Elizabeth

5/31/2002 ($1,000)(refund)
Dole, Elizabeth

6/11/2002 $1,000
Britt, Robin (D)

10/21/2003 $2,000
Bush, George W

Burn him!

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-me

Just what we need

The Puppetmaster's evil twin! Those were all old, but still. Anyone who EVER gave money to George Bush needs to have his head examined.

I wasn't sure of his political leanings

Thats why I made the post. I knew somebody would have the skinny on him.
He has giving money to some Dem's, maybe we can get him to jump shiip ;)

Did someone suggest

Bill Friday already?

D.G. Martin, Charlie Rose, Charlie Gaddy?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Charlie Gaddy?

I had to do a Google search on this name, as I'd never heard of him. What I read about him makes him seem to be a pretty down-to-earth guy, but I don't think anyone outside of the Raleigh area would even have a clue as to who he is. Also, he would be 77 years old in 2008, probably somewhat too old to run. He'd be 83 at the end of his first term.

I'm Bloo through and through.

I'm Bloo through and through.

Mr. Friday.

People have been wanting Bill Friday to run for office forever. He's a wonderful guy . . . and he's probably said "No" more than any single person, with the possible exception Dean Smith.

No doubt! :)

Mr. Friday has a great thing going right now. I wouldn't touch politics if I were him, either.

So if we're taking it out of the box, let's have a look out of the room, too. I don't know this dude, but my mad googly skills turned up a guy named John R. Alexander, CEO of the Center for Creative Leadership in G'boro and the only registered voter by that name in the SBOE list in Guilford is a D. ??? Anybody know of Mr. Alexander?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Spent the evening

asking my voting but non-politically involved middle-classer friends and associates this question. I went through the top names. Most didn't get more than a "meh" ... until I got to Mike Easley. That drew some excited "oh, yeah" responses.

For a sense of just how politically UN-involved my crowd is, of about eight people, ~half didn't know who Bev Perdue was and one person knew who Richard Moore was and that's only because she works for the state.

I know ... nobody knew who the heck Jim Webb was six months ago either, so big whoop. Just thought the info would be interesting.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

eh

They are both polling high enough that its no big worry for me.

Did you ask about Hunt?

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"Keep the Faith"

Yep, all the top names

we've mentioned were on my list.

I don't really think my little phone poll means anyting significant. It was just a fun thing for me. I was surprised by the answers I got, though.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Jim Hunt

From a historical perspective, Gov. Hunt would be great, but I, too, worry that he'd only be able to give one term. I'd rather take a long view and see someone (like Cooper)who is young enough and already has enough name recognition to make a good showing. If I'm not going to get to vote for Cooper for Governor, I want to vote for him for Senator. I want a chance to vote for him for something.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

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