Robin Hayes says we will win in Iraq by "spreading the message of Jesus Christ" there.

Robin Hayes has the solution to the Iraq war: have our soldiers convert all Muslims to Christianity.

Having won the election by only a hair’s width and almost getting himself kicked out of Congress seems to have had some profound psychological effects on poor Mr. Hayes. A speech that flip-floppin’ Robin gave last week at the Concord Rotary Club seems to prove he has finally gone off the deep end.

Our local weekly newspaper the “Concord Standard and Mount Pleasant Times” reported on Mr. Hayes speech in his hometown:

First there’s the usual talk of how we’re “winning” over there: “The war in Iraq has got to be won; it’s being won” (A couple of months ago Hayes said that the rise in violence in Iraq was an indication that we’re winning.)

Then comes the real kicker: “Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior.”

So if we just turn our soldiers into missionaries everything will be okay, Mr. Hayes?

First we sent our men over there to take out the WMD’s, then it was to “spread democracy”, now you want them there to “spread the message of Jesus Christ”? It so happens that people in Iraq already have a savior but unfortunately for Mr. Hayes it’s Muhammed, not Jesus.

If we can’t keep Muslims from killing each other over there, I don’t think that trying to make them all Christian is going to be any easier.

With this kind of talk Hayes just plays into the hands of Al-Qaeda by confirming what their leaders have always been saying: those American soldiers are just modern Crusaders. He is thereby strengthening the beliefs of terrorists that want to kill every American soldier they come across.

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No link available.

While our local weekly newspaper does have a website, it doesn't publish any of it's articles on there. So sorry, I can't provide a link to the complete article.

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Article

Check your message inbox. If you can get a copy of it to me I'll scan it and post it

Q&A by Hayes after Concord Rotary Club Speech?

A speech that flip-floppin’ Robin gave last week at the Concord Rotary Club seems to prove he has finally gone off the deep end.* Stunned local Blog Reporter at the speech

Okay Members, I will be happy to take questions now!*CH

You over there with the Red Fez Hat! Yeah you at the Altar table! What is your question?*CH

Brother Hayes! I am I. Beverly Lake Worshipful Master from the local Knights Templar lodge here in Concord. You said that we beat the Muslin Brotherhood many centuries ago as knights from the crusades. I can't find anything that said we won! What historial proof do you have of these ancient victories?* WM Lake

Uh! Uh! Well Brother! I just rented out a movie from Blockbusters, " The Kingdom Of God". What more proof do you need?*CH

Wait a minute Congressman! We surrender to the Muslin Brotherhood in that movie.* WM Lake

Brother Lake! You are confuse, the LA police department surrender to the Hood in the South Central LA riots of 92 in Califorina*CH

Huh?* Great Architect Congressman!!!!! Do you and I belong to the same Templars or what? *WM Lake

Listen Worshipful Master, that is enough out of you, so shut up or go ride one of those dang midget motorscooters you fools ride during parades along with those stupid Ronald Mac Donald clown suits. You idiots mess up my 4 th July parade this year when you had that school teacher stealing my candy from my campaign SUV during the parade.*CH

One more question! You in the back with the white apron on!*CH

You mean me?* Gay Bus Boy picking up dirty dishes and chicken bones

Yes you Tinker Bell! CH

Okay Congressman! Answer this question? Why do you Knights Templars ride in the nude and double saddle like Republican Brokenback Mountain Cowboys on your Warhorses* Gay Bus Boy

I got go since I am already late with my appointment with President Bush today in DC. We are meeting in a secret closet at the oval office to discuss our new plan to win in Iraq. "Brokenback Dallas Cowboys 2" or "Dubya does Dallas and Iraq and Iran at the same time"

May God Bless you and remember Jesus loves you until the next election with touch ballot computers.

Second Source NEEDED !!!

Is there any way to get independent verification of this interview/speech? This is too valuable to allow to be questionable. Right now it's basically your word (against whoever else's) that this newspaper reported this, as far as the rest of the world is concerned. Has anyone in the national press been asked to research this? If this gets plastered in the "MsM" it would be a supreme embarrassment to the Bush Administration and the right-wing in general. Right now, a (admittedly biased) single-source cite in HuffPo or Kos isn't going to cut it.

What, if anything, is being done??

LiberalNC

has never led us astray, but you're right, we need a scan of the paper at least.

I've tried to contact several people at the paper

but have not had a return call or message yet.

Confirmed

From a reporter at the papers:

We had a story about Hayes speaking to the local Rotary club in our paper. He was talking about winning the war and spreading Christianity or Christian principles.

I'm curious to see the blogs you mentioned. Can you send me links?

The article was by Dale Cline and was in the Dec. 21 edition, which is still available at our office and at coin racks through Tuesday. (I think - it may be different because of the holiday.)

Thanks for the e-mail!

dang you guys are too fast!

I went out today to have the paper scanned and when I get finally online again you guys already took care of it...LOL
thanks for the help though.
At this point I'm trying to track down some people who were at the Rotary meeting. I know some of the members and I'm trying to find out if they were there. With the holidays it's hard to get a hold of people though.
I'll let you know when I find out more.
I can't believe that this thing is all over the place already.. all I did was type a little story about a newspaper I read..hehe

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Isn't it wild? Thanks for digging it up and making it happen. I couldn't find you today so I just emailed the paper - and they were kind enough to send PDFs.

Great job!

Oh My Lord

Robin Hayes has done gone and flipped. Again.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Amazing

Please spread far and wide. I'm a big fan of Jesus myself, but I don't think he'd much approve of Flipper trying to enlist him in the Party of Greed's War on Everything.

Has this fool never heard of the Crusades?

what in the world makes him so blind to the truth. I almost wish Larry Kissell would pounce on this and send out postcards to his supporters with the picture posted here.

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Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Here's an idea

Whaddya say we send Mr. Robin "Good Will" Hayes to Iraq to spread that message hissownbizzzzzaroself? No Green Zone. No Gun. No Guards. He can have his Bible.

I read this yesterday and my brain froze. Fingers, too. I couldn't even get to, "huh?" I'm not sure what I heard in the back of my soul, but it sounded a lot like God letting out with a loud groan and dropping His head in His hands. I'm still slightly rattled by the whole thing this morning.

So, FFR wants to evangelize Iraq. And that's the answer to the whole problem.

Excuse me while I spit ... ptooey!

Obviously FFR likes praying to the little baby Jesus, not the big man Jesus who said all that stuff about loving your enemies, feeding the hungry, tending the sick, visiting the prisoner, yada yada yada. I wonder where Robin's Christian message runs and hides when the hardcore hateful members of his party scream for blood and payback?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Fantastic idea.

We'll even let him carry a picture of Jesus.

If only Don Rumsfeld had let the troops thump bibles instead of carry rifles, perhaps he would have kept his job.

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Onward Christian Soldiers!

And what a great example of Christian values we have shown them too! I just can't believe they aren't lined up around the block to convert! < /snark >

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

A little birdie from the press told me

that on election night after it looked like results were final and he was eaking by he suddenly dropped his head and issued a prayer. It was so out of character it cought everybody off guard.

I'll give you one guess which group he's trying to appeal to in time for 2008. One guess.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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oh, God, a test?

hhhmmmmmm.... one guess ...

think ... think ... think

Who is Robin Hayes trying to appeal to for the 2008 campaign? He's dropping his head in his hands and praying ... he's suggesting everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of Jesus ... uuuhhhhmmmm .....

Did Billy Graham go for a walk with Robin on the beach? Do you think Hayes thinks people will fall for that again?

ah, jeesh ... I hate these kind of tests.

... can I be excused? I need some google err some coffee. ;)

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

This ia perfect example of someone who speaks about faith

instead of living it. Lying about trade agreements,breaking promises, subverting the faith of others (Muslims in Iraq), God knows what else, all of this is, in my book, slimy and unworthy of the God whose name he purports to pray in. Help me baby Jeebus.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

Ed Cone

Atrios Picks this up

but links back to Ed Cone. I left a comment that the original story was here. Oh well. Here's the linky to Atrios.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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No respect

:)

Maybe when we grow up and Be Like Ed, they'll do us the honor of a little love. Ah well. At least the story is getting out there.

Attribution corrected

Atrios properly attributed this story to BlueNC. Nice catch -- this should be national news.

Thanks, Ed

and thanks for bumping us up a bit.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Attribution corrected

Atrios properly attributed this story to BlueNC. Nice catch -- this should be national news.

Not to nitpick, but...

"It so happens that people in Iraq already have a savior but unfortunately for Mr. Hayes it’s Muhammed, not Jesus."

Er, um... Muhammed is a prophet. Not the savior. It's a rather large-ish detail.

Just going along with Hayes...

Hayes seems to think Jesus is our Savior, well then so would be Muhammed in Islam.

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My condolences

to those who are in Hayes' district. It's my understanding NC is trending blue. Hopefully the more these Southern Republicans keep pandering to the religious right wingnuts the fewer Republicans we'll see in Congress. Unfortunately, I'm sure that's cold comfort to those who have to still be represented by them.

Pam's House Blend

Other post picking up on this at Pam's House Blend

Huffington Post

We've apparently been picked up by the Huffington Post.
CNN next?

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my problem here

Is not with the idea that Hayes might be Christian (personally I dont think he can read let alone live the bible.

My problem is that these guys spend all their time talking about how muslims are intolerant and want to kill everyone who isnt a muslim, then pull shit like this.

You want to follow Jesus' example? DONT START WARS. Use the money to feed the poor. How hard is this concept? Honestly.

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"Keep the Faith"

PS

someone needs to send this to KOS. get it frontpaged as a link to us instead of as a new diary.

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So, Blue South

Having links at Ed Cone, Atrios and Huffington Post aren't enough?

Man, you're link greedy. Hehe...like I'm not. :)

Update: I edited this post for clarity. It looked like I was addressing Ed Cone, but I was actually listing his site.

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Also found on

Raw Story today as well.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

You see that...

photo of Hayes that have on Raw Story? Ha! Looks like he's waiting to convert some ducks to Christianity! What Would Jesus Hunt?

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It's Easy

Just convert one muslim at a time. How long would that take? He isn't just a flip flopper, he has completely flipped.

Lovex7

Of course this also suggests an incredible lack of respect

for the religion of a number of his own constituents. Bonehead.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

Hayes also says most of the troops will be home by 2008

Just in time for the next election, no doubt.

Wonkette

Wonkette just posted this with the image but said he was from NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!!

I did a quick Kos diary

Hey, Wonkette got the "N" right anyway.

Kos diary here.

Would this make the War On Terror™ the 10th Crusade?

Frackin' Hayes

Crooks'n'Liars linked to my Scrutiny Hooligans take on the story, which is naturally linked back here...

A snippet:

"If only they'd accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, then there would be peace! Just like Robin Hayes! He's accepted the Lord, and you don't see him support invading and bombing anyone, do you? Do you? Christians, of course, are spiritually incapable of promoting violence."

Scrutiny Hooligans - http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us

i've got my fingers crossed

that shuler doesn't put his foot in his mouth in this same manner. the first thing he did during his victory speech was thank jeebus, and while i realize that simply acknowledging your faith publicly is a far cry from the advocacy of killing in the name of that same faith, there's a fine line...

"making things with sound, text and pixels..."

Hayes' Spokesperson reacts in Charlotte Observer

The Charlotte Observer had an article about this in todays' paper. You can find it here.
Hayes' spokeswoman, Carolyn Hern, says she did not attend the speech but that she has no reason to doubt the accuracy of Hayes' initial quotes.
She then goes on to say "It's interesting how these bloggers can distort the news".
Can anyone explain to me how citing quotes (that even the Hayes' camp says are accurate) out of a newspaper article is distorting news?

Apparently after his speech, Hayes revised his comments. He said they were in "the context of spreading Christian principles rather than Christianity."
How can you explain saying "Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the savior" other than trying to spread and convert people to Christianity?

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Hayes blames bloggers

The quote and BlueNC got picked up by the Center for American Progress' Think Progress blog.

The only thing being distorted

is reality.

Carolyn Hern can try to blame Hayes' comments on bloggers, but she'll have just as much trouble as Hayes did trying to explain his CAFTA vote.

what the heck

can reporters not ask follow up questions. Such as, "How was his comment misrepresented". Its called reporting and figuring out facts.

excuse me, im gonna go bang my head against the wall.

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"Keep the Faith"

reporter vs. investigative journalist

these are reporters, they report what they are told. They are obviously not investigative journalists, who look into the facts.

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-me

Even a decent reporter

should say, "Excuse me, Ms. Mouthpiece, but what exactly are you saying? Did Congressman Hayes say that success in Iraq depends on spreading the message of Jesus - or not?"

It's hard to say whether Mr. Hayes believes his own words, but if he does, he should stand up and say so.

Mr. Hayes?

when?

when did we start thinking that writing down quotes counted as news? if Bush goes on TV toomorow and says that the moon is made of cheese shouldnt the 'reporters' have a responsibility to say "what proof do you have?"??????

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I have forwarded it on to

I have forwarded it on to the Muslim American Public Affairs Council(MAPAC) in Raleigh and CAIR national so im sure it will be on CNN shortly :)

Marc

It's good you forwarded this

It's good you forwarded this to CAIR & MAPAC.
We should have an open debate about this. I
don't know how this happens in the land of the
talking heads, but let's try.

However, I'm not too crazy about CAIR's stance
on religious intolerance either, e.g. their
spokesperson, Ibrahim Hooper, is on record
saying he would like to have religious law
in the US. The First Amendment not only guards
our freedom of thought & speech, but it keeps
the government from imposing laws of religious
practice upon us. Hooper would have a
hard time taking an oath to defend the
Constitution without some major caveats if he
does not now disavow that statement. No
one has had the courage to ask Rep Ellison how he
feels about his oath & his past association
with religious separatists like Farakhan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Hooper

As for MAPAC, I heard their media spokeperson
on community TV refer to the 'invasion of
Afghanistan' in a negative way. I assume
MAPAC lumps Afghanistan & Iraq together. As a dem,
I supported the 'invasion' of Afghanistan &
opposed Iraq (even though my new SoH Nancy
Pelosi voted for it) & the freeing of
Afghanistani women who did not want to wear
the burka. Based on MAPAC's statements, I can
assume they think the US invasion is a greater
evil than a burka & a religious government.

Disclaimer: I'm not defending Robin Haye's
statement. I just want to point out that
groups other than christian don't exactly
love our constitutional freedoms if they
lead to behavior which violates religious
practice.

I don't understand why we

I don't understand why we have to convert everyone standing in our way to our belief. All I hear about at work is about Iraq. We have so much problems surrounding us that we should leave out of borders problems to the people in charge. All I want to do for the holidays is to take up the offer of Canal boat holidays and go somewhere with no war talk, no pollution, no hate. Just mother nature and happy, relaxed people.