How many grades are there in high school?

The non-tempest in a teapot stirred up by right-wing haters of public education has found its way to the desk of Marc Basnight, who appears unfamiliar with the fact that there are four grades in high school, not just the 11th. Dome reports that Basnight got his knickers in a knot over an uninformed story that US history in high school would start in 1877, with reconstruction. Fortunately, Superintendent Atkinson is on the scene to set the record straight.

The state superintendent of public instruction, told Senate leader Marc Basnight that students will get more than one shot of U.S. history while they're in high school.

Responding to a letter from Basnight objecting to a proposal to have the 11th grade survey course start with the post-Reconstruction years, Atkinson said students would study early U.S. history in 10th grade, Lynn Bonner reports. The Civics and Economics course proposed for 10th graders includes study of the U.S. Constitution and an analysis of the foundation of democratic government in the United States.

You'd think the leader of the Senate would have the good sense to check out idiotic rumors before jumping on the dum-dum train.


All I need to know, I learned in 11th grade

I forgot every skill, process and fact from K-10. Grade 12 was just a blur.

If it weren't for 11th grade -- and 11th grade only -- where would we be?


You have it wrong

It's really the 12th grade that matters ... and only the 12th grade. That's when I learned physics and who cares about biology and chemistry. Those lame subjects were in the 10th and 11th grades ... so who gives a flip about them. It's only the 12th grade that matters.

In fact, all students should just skip 9, 10 and 11 and go straight to 12 ... where they should pile in astronomy, economics, Chinese, dead white men, calculus, trigonometry, geometry, PE, home economics, woodworking and lobbying. Put all that in the 12th grade and then you'll have some serious education.


An important fact we miss when we assume we can teach citizenship to students. 11th -12th graders are young adults ready to assume the responsibilities of voting. Their understanding of history should be more in-depth and nuanced than 8th graders.

You replied seriously to that?

In what grade did you learn about hyperbole and satire?

If you really are a teacher, oh boy.


They teach story context in 10th grade

Fact-checking and context are taught in the 10th grade.

Obviously you didn't get the memo: 10th grade is for losers!



"You'd think the leader of the Senate would have the good sense to check out idiotic rumors before jumping on the dum-dum train."

No, I would not. It fits right in with all the other news coming from North Carolina's state government. Nothing surprises me any longer.

Dum-dum train? Really?

At least he had the sense to read before opining.

There is much more to this

There is much more to this then US history. DPI is once again tinkering with the entire social studies curriculum and making a complete mess of it in the process. There is far too little emphasis on acquiring the basic knowledge students need in order to reason critically and far to much emphasis on pie in the sky abstract concepts. Understanding of history and geography has to be a building process beginning in the early years with the local community and moving forward. What they are proposing is a watering down of the basics in order to achieve some sort of global perspective. The result will be anything but that. It will result in a failure of our students to grasp any real understanding of our past. It would be wise for all of you to take a look at the draft at the DPI website for K through 12. Take special note of how they are giving short shift to what had been a key transitional step at the 8th grade where students took their first true survey course. The teaching of NC history and geography is very important to prepare students for civics and US History at the high school level as you can't teach NC history without teaching a history of the US. They have proposed moving an altered version of it to the seventh grade, leaving out the Roanoke Voyages and stopping at the Civil Rights movement. Then the 8th grade would be some sort of global studies with lip service given to NC and US history starting in either the 1950s or 1970s. This isn't a right wing thing. The problems with what DPI is trying to do with a curriculum that didn't need fixing are many and huge. It's pie in the sky and a lot of people are extremely upset about it.

I'm a moderate Democrat.

Good overview, Huh

This whole issue leads anyone with any intelligence to wonder about the true, basic reason for this proposal.

History is history...the good and the bad, the comfortable and uncomfortable things about it. Those of us that attended college in years past know that in college, there were two history courses offered...History before 1865 and then history afterward.

It seems to me that both are an important part of our country's heritage. To me, it seems impossible to understand one era without knowing the history of the other.

Just my opinion and if that seems off-base, so be it.

You're distracted by FOX

I talk to people of all political persuasions every day about this issue. Calling them "right-wing haters of public education" is inaccurate. Did you ever read that proposal? It's patently inadequate as a forecast of public instruction and it doesn't take an expert to know it. I am a fervent supporter of public education for citizens. The creators of my group, I and Dr. Holly Brewer, are more progressive than current Dem policy, I think (sure that's true for me, think that's true for Holly) . The only reason this is a hot-button political issue is because citizens who get their news from Fox (Yes, very scary) got ahold of it before dems, and liberal knee-jerk reaction slowed Dems comprehension of the issue. And note, that individual Dems who actually READ the curriculum tell me all day long that there is a problem at the DPI. Dr. Brewer and colleagues have wrestled with the DPI for meaningful curriculum for years. This problem is not new, and did not arise with Fox.

You still didn't read it? Come on.

Have you read the proposal since you responded to me the other day when I asked if you read it? This is what you said:

"but that would be like me reading a manual on rebuilding a carburetor or brain surgery. I tend to trust teachers and professionals hired to manage the institutions they're responsible for. Sometimes that trust is betrayed, but mostly not."